What next from Trump's America?

So what has he said about Trump?

Please, varian can we have a thread that does not resort to criticism of Brexit and people who voted to leave the EU?
Please?

Not all those who voted leave can be compared to Trump supporters, but some certainly can. Milo Yiannopoulos (who is actually British) is a very enthusiastic brexiter, for instance. He has said many outrageous things about the EU, but perhaps he was "only joking"

Really Grandad and varian you honestly believe that all Brexit supporters can be compared to those of Trump. Supporters of a man who takes the children of illegal immigrants away from their parents.

And you accuse Brexiters of being "immune to logic, reject evidence and are fired up by inane tweets and sloganising" *Grandad".

In Trump's America the press are often attacked, as they often are by Trump himself and as we know mass shootings are depressingly frequent occurrences. Sometimes there is a direct connexion, sometimes not, as in the case of the shooting this week at Capital Gazette. The comments of right-wing extremists do poison the atmosphere. For instance the alt right extremist former Breitbart journalist Milo Yiannopoulos had said earlier this week that-

"he couldn't wait for 'vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down'. His comments came two days before a gunman shot dead five people at Maryland's Capital Gazette newspaper on Thursday . In the hours after the shooting, Yiannopoulos insisted that he was only joking"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5899655/PayPal-Venmo-ban-Milo-Yiannopoulos-shooting-comments.html

some of the garbage she shared was beyond belief. it spread beyond there, some I saw came via Australia.

Obvious comparison but some of them don't like it. GN brexiters range from the "I adore Trump" type to ones who are outraged that they could possibly have anything in common with Trump supporters.

Quote varianI [get the impression that Trump supporters are immune to logic, reject evidence and are fired up by inane tweets and sloganising. ]End Quote

Varian, that case, they seem to be very similar to Brexit supporters in Britain.

So he understands that mentality. And exploits it brilliantly.
He's not so daft.

I get the impression that Trump supporters are immune to logic, reject evidence and are fired up by inane tweets and sloganising.

I still remember one claim Trump made during his election campaign which struck me as actually being true. He said "I could stand in the middle of New York and shoot somebody and they'd still vote for me".

Hilary Clinton was pilloried on social media by Trumps campaign team. My American SiL (whom I have never met) was obviously a Trump fan and some of the garbage she shared was beyond belief.

But believe it they did - at least those sections of American society who were unable to distinguish fact from fiction, and just heard what they wanted to hear. I’ve often thought that Trump’s fixation about ‘fake news’ is because he knew how effective it was in his own campaign against Hilary.

There was also quite a racist backlash against Obama’s presidency, again from the same type of social group.

I’ve since unfriended this SiL but it was a revelation.

I was chatting to someone today who had met some Americans whilst they were on a European trip.
The Americans introduced themselves and said 'and we apologise for our President, not all of us voted for him'.
So many Americans travelling overseas must be so embarrassed by him.

"Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very wealthy. But it has left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. I want you to imagine how much better our future can be if we declare independence from the elites who’ve led us to one financial and foreign policy disaster after another. I was on the right side of that issue — with the people — while Hillary, as always, stood with the elites."

Now he seems to have turned this upside down. He has just said: "We have more money and more brains and better houses and apartments and nicer boats. We are smarter than they are. They say the elite. We are the elite. You are the elite. "

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/trump-calls-supporters-elite-doesnt-understand-populism.html

His new scriptwriter seems to have lost the plot.

Actually Nazi Germany kept very good records. The question is actually in the present tense - what are they going to do with the children they have already placed in care hundreds/thousands of miles away from their parents? I don't expect anyone with any power really cares. Do U?

What did they intend doing with the children that no records were kept of who they were and who there parents were? I t really does remind you of Nazi Germany.

That this could happen not in wartime fleeing the enemy, not following a natural catastrophe but in a 21st century modern democracy yes chew it does beggar belief. It is an act of pure evil and results from the complete dehumanisation of those crossing the border. All those officials obeying orders, shipping off babies and children and no one thought about keeping records? Whatever happens now in reuniting the children - and who will actually do anything about that - those children are surely scarred for life.

The interview that I heard this morning on radio 4 're the children being reunited with their parents said pretty much the same thing Eloethan. The reasons that they gave was was because absolutely no records have been taken of the children; no fingerprints, no database records of either the children or their parents and no tracking of where the children or their parents have been sent to. And as some of the children are as young as 9 months old, they're unable to tell officials at all of their heritage before being sent thousands of miles across America by bus. Beggars belief.

I was perplexed by what an interviewee (I think a man working for or with experience of the US immigration department) said on Newsnight tonight. He was very critical of Trump's handling of the family and children issue and said that the whole process has been chaotic because, in effect, Trump really doesn't understand what he is doing.

He said - and this is what perplexed me - that it was unlikely to be a simple and speedy matter to reunite these children with their parents because of the complexity involved. He even implied that some children may never be reunited with their families. I don't understand why it is so complex. Surely there are records of the adults in custody, with details of their children and where they have been placed, and vice versa?

The more I hear of this, the more appalling the whole thing seems.

"It is a case of admitting defeat and trying to look on any positives now"

I agree Jalima
I just wish all those who voted remain would adopt the same attitude.

Having said that, many friends who voted to remain expressed surprise at the result but haven't dwelt on it or spent the time since then fighting it, shunning their Leaver friends or accusing them of being thick because their choice was different from theirs.

The divide is a media/online construct. There is no hatred on the streets for Leave voters because of the result. If there is, those doing the hating have a problem.

Still looking in vain for any positives about brexit

and paternal grandfather.

Where would America be without these immigrants?

As others have said, most of the people living in America are economic migrants or are descended from people who were economic migrants, ie who migrated to America for a better life.
And, amongst the later ones of the last century, Trump's mother.

It's quite obvious those sore losers will resort to slurs even when presented with facts.
I'm not sore, Day6 (although I admit to being very shocked at the time of the result).
It is a case of admitting defeat and trying to look on any positives now.

GillT57 - thank you! In a nut-shell! Your last post sums up for me exactly why Trump is a clueless, unthinking, self-absorbed, naive, unfeeling, arrogant and dangerous President. He reacts to situations all the time, never considering the consequences of his actions.
A good summing-up.

As for Melania's coat, I have my own views on that but would get shouted down by the majority on here.

Republicans should “stop wasting their time on immigration”, Donald Trump tweeted on Friday, as House GOP leadership continued to work on a subject that has riven their party.

Republican leaders have twice been forced to postpone final voting on a moderate immigration bill, first until Friday and then to next week, as negotiators make a last-ditch push for support.

They are trying to persuade a conservative bloc to approve bill that includes $25bn for Trump’s border wall – a campaign promise which he has insisted Mexico will pay for – and a path to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants brought to the US as children, known as Dreamers. A hardline bill, without provision for Dreamers, failed on Thursday.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/22/donald-trump-republicans-immigration-house-senate-red-wave-separations-dreamers

Despite my misgivings, after a lot of thought, I decided to vote to stay because I thought the risk of becoming even more reliant on trade deals with countries like America, China, Saudi, etc., and the possibility of environmental, employment and health and safety rules being watered down, was too big a risk to take.

Well said, Eloethan. My sentiments exactly. Thank you for putting it so well.