What next from Trump's America?

Saying it or repeating it ( the tired old smears) is the same thing in the end.
You may as well just say ‘it wasn’t me miss, it was her that said it!’ ‘But I do agree with her, miss!’
You MaizieD and others will do as you like no doubt, but I and others will also continue to point out that you shoukd save your Brexit ire for a more appropriate thread.

lemon. I'll do whatever I please on this forum.

That includes pointing out that 'I didn't say it'. Just so that it doesn't get thrown back at me in the future.

Then stop repeating it MaizieD

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, don't forget. If they'd had a different electoral system she'd probably be in the Oval Office right now.

(And she would never have worn a tasteless anorak)

I don't think it is very helpful to imply that people who voted leave did so because they are uneducated.

It's a statistical fact. Eloethan, not an 'implication'.

It doesn't mean that everyone who voted Leave is uneducated; like Jalima, I know a few well educated people who did; it just means that more of them are.

And, in relation to this thread, I didn't actually say it. It was the Leavers who brought it up.

Millbrook for many American people it was a hard choice, they view Hilary Clinton ( and Bill Clinton) in quite a different way.If there had been a different Democrat candidate,Trump would easily have lost.

I agree with much of what you say Eloethan and to those GN members who keep up the sneering ‘lowly education’ remarks, they don’t do themselves any favours at all.
Brexit is for other threads in any case, and to hijack this thread (which is about a very serious and tragic situation for the children and their parents who have been separated, in some cases in the recent past, never to have been reunited)
Is a pretty low thing to do, simply because they don’t want to accept the referendum results.

All those people that thought it was a 'hard choice' between Trump and Clinton need their head examining. Being fooled into thinking that the 'motherhood and apple pie' egotist Bernie Sanders would have been any use is also pretty stupid. Hillary was the most qualified, most able, most decent candidate for the Presidency, by a mile.

As with our own disastrous Brexit, the US media whipped up populism to suit their ratings, and they are partly responsible for the US election disaster. But also, it was the US' blatant racism, and unashamed sexism ( from men and women) that gave us Trump. If you 'didn't vote cos I didn't like Hillary', you are partly responsible for this, and your grandchildren will be the ones who suffer ( yes, even the male, white, middle class ones.....)

I voted remain, though not wholeheartedly as I saw it as a bit of a rich man's club - and I think we should remember we walked away from our Commonwealth friends without a second thought. The EU then took up those markets and imposed some very stringent trading conditions on countries like Mauritius.

Despite my misgivings, after a lot of thought, I decided to vote to stay because I thought the risk of becoming even more reliant on trade deals with countries like America, China, Saudi, etc., and the possibility of environmental, employment and health and safety rules being watered down, was too big a risk to take. Given the current chaotic situation, I wish we had never had a referendum. We should have stayed in and campaigned to change the sort of things that many of the EU countries are now complaining about.

I don't think it is very helpful to imply that people who voted leave did so because they are uneducated. We are divided enough as it is, without these sorts of remarks being made. Perhaps those who have received a higher education, have had comfortable jobs and lifestyles and who travelled abroad on a regular basis appeared to those in poor circumstances to be benefiting from a system that excluded them. Whether that is true or not is, in some ways, irrelevant. That is what they felt. And not everyone who voted leave did so on the basis of immigration. When both sides stereotype each other, this will only bring resentment and division.

I also don't think it's very helpful referring to Corbyn as "Saint Jeremy". He may not be to everyone's liking, but I don't think there is any need for sarcasm. I'm not a fan of Mrs May and her ministers and I criticise what they do but I don't see the point of calling them silly names.

And this morning, we see the wonderful Melania sporting her tasteless jacket. The criticism of this was dismissed by Trump as being 'fake news' surprise, surprise. They are trash, no other word for it. I agree with you lemongrove, the US electorate had a hard choice between Trump and Clinton, I think it was more a case of Clinton lost than Trump won. Had the Democrats got their act together and not given into Hillary C's demands; her feelings that it was 'her turn' then perhaps the USA, and the rest of the world would not be dealing with this ghastly man and his grasping family. Talk about lining their pockets.

suzied Yesterday 21.31

The fact is Trump supporters are in the main white and who do not have a college education. Why is that stereotyping? A stereotype is created out of a factual base. Sorry if some people find that truth uncomfortable.

And the fact is that Leave voters are also less likely to have been educated at 'college level'. suzied's comment applies equally to Britain.

I wasn't actually thinking abut educational level when I made may original comment. It was more the response to an emotional, yet fact free and meaningless, slogan...

It seems to me that, far from 'making America great again' Trump is busily making it into a state to be despised by civilised nations.

We should also remember that whereas Remain was supported by the leaders of all EU ountries. Commonwealth countries and our other trading partners, Leave was supported only by Vladimir Putin , French fascist Marine le Pen and Donald J Trump.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

For those who think it’s some sort of slur or stereotype rather than a sociological analysis.

Theresa May's husband 's company has billions invested in the firm that runs Trump's detention centres.

Should our Prime Minister be making money from a set-up where thousands of children have been separated from their parents?

www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2018/06/21/theresa-mays-family-is-profiting-from-donald-trump-caging-children-in-detention-centres/

Thanks Chewbacca. Excellent post.

Remainers will of course retain their blinkers. It's quite obvious those sore losers will resort to slurs even when presented with facts.

There is a lot about EU jurisdiction that people of all colours, creeds, incomes and levels of education do not like. I have a masters degree. I voted to leave for many and various reasons and I know many like me who did the same.

It's becoming apparent that Remainers are time and time again resorting to the " thickos" slur. It's shameful.

Elitist and blinkered....and mostly left wing. Sadly, their glorious leader St Jeremy is extremely anti EU. They'd know that if they'd genned up on their political history.

Resorting to tired old slurs is the last resort of the defeated, maybe?

But there is a common thread of populism

It isnt just USA and the UK who are leaning ever more more to right wing populist politics. In 2018, the following countries were deemed to have burgeoning right wing populist parties:

Australia - One Nation
Canada - Social Credit Party of Canada & The Reform Party of Canada
Austria- Freedom Party
Belgium - Vlaams Blok
Cyprus - ELAM
Czech Republic- ANO
Denmark - Progress Party
Finland - Finns Party
France - National Front
Hungary -Fides
Germany -AfD
Greece - Golden Dawn
Italy - Lega Nord
Netherlands - Party for Freedom
Poland - Law and Justice
Slovakia- Smer
Sweden - Sweden Democrats
Switzerland- Swiss People's Party

They haven't all voted to leave the EU. Neither have they all herded migrating children into camps and cages. Sweeping statements obscure the facts.

Varian in response to your post, you do know there is huge left wing anti EU support, don't you?

The sainted Jeremy is probably the biggest Brexiteer now Benn and union man Bob Crow are no more. (Even though he ditched his principles - life-long held - on becoming Labour leader.)

Leaving the EU is a left wing cause. (Unless you are a closet Capitalist?)

As Ive stated many times,

GillT57 - thank you! In a nut-shell! Your last post sums up for me exactly why Trump is a clueless, unthinking, self-absorbed, naive, unfeeling, arrogant and dangerous President. He reacts to situations all the time, never considering the consequences of his actions.

He's been give his rich-boy life on a plate. He is running the USA as if it were his business, his empire. I can only watch aghast as he blunders on in his power-crazed way.

But there is a common thread of populism

With regard to the people who elected him, I keep wanting to say "Brexit parallels are evident " but I'll just leave it there

That is very below the belt MaizieD. I voted Leave but if the likes of Trump were in any way likely to run the show after the event I'd have stuck with the hideous and anti-UK Barnier and Juncker. Talk about Hobson's Choice!

It is grossly unfair and rather simplisticly pro-Remain to suggest that those who voted Leave are akin in any way to those Bible Belt uber right wing Americans who adore Trump.

This is not to say no Trump supporters are non white and none have a college education, it’s just a statistical fact that the majority of those who support Trump would come into that category. Nothing wrong with that.

The fact is Trump supporters are in the main white and who do not have a college education. Why is that stereotyping? A stereotype is created out of a factual base. Sorry if some people find that truth uncomfortable.

The Republican party with a Senate majority supports him. Don't tell me that they are all white voters without a college education.

Back to Trump!!

It is some of the people who are surrounding him and advising him who are questionable, not just the man himself with his over-inflated ego.

Trump supporters are in the main white voters without a college education. Parallel with Brexit?
stereotyping again

I am a Remainer, out of step here because I am living in neighbourhood of people with PhDs, Masters degrees who, in the main voted Brexit and I despair of remarks like that.