What next from Trump's America?

Wanting to leave the EU has nothing to do with voters in the US voting for Trump, there were two unpopular choices, Trump and Clinton.
Negative emotions of the fearful, yes, there was that, Cameron and Osborne promising the world would end if we left!
However, some posters constantly bring any thread round to Brexit, this one is supposed to be about Trump and his policies, nothing to do with anything the UK does.

Sigh

Trump supporters are in the main white voters without a college education. Parallel with Brexit?

There certainly are brexit parallels -

Cambridge Analytica, the Russian connexion, strong support from Putin, the ultra-right media, downmarket tabloids targeting immigrants, encouraging racism amongst the poorly educated and disaffected sectors of the electorate, illiberalism, intolerance, a preference for fake news rather than true facts, preying on the negative emotions of the fearful, the old, the marginalised sections of society who are looking for someone to blame. - and many more

There are no Brexit parallels.

Trump was always going to be a loose cannon, hard to see anyone at all voting for him, if only there had been a good Democrat candidate instead of Clinton, they had better start thinking ahead for next time!

Thank goodness he has reversed the policy of separating families, what a terrible thing to do, children crying for parents in cages! Barbaric.

As others have said, most of the people living in America are economic migrants or are descended from people who were economic migrants, ie who migrated to America for a better life. Additionally, they originally achieved that goal by massacring a large proportion of the indigenous population, displacing the remainder and seizing power for themselves.

Thank goodness the majority of Gransnetters on this thread, whatever their political persuasion, deplore the way these families have been treated.

The majority of the American people voted for this man - and by all accounts most still support him - so it doesn't reflect well on them either and shows the US in the worst possible light.

newnanny the situation is more complex than this and it is not just about Mexicans. Basically there are three types of people crossing over - criminals of one sort or another, those seeking political asylum ( so they are not entering illegally) and the third group who enter illegally - this is a misdemeanour under US law. Trump introduced 100% arrest when basically only the first group previously had been prosecuted as criminals.The second group should be processed as political asylum seekers and the third are usually detained and then deported. We have no idea into which of the last two categories the children we have seen belong and probably neither do tbe authorities. And now we learn that some of the children have been bussed hundreds if not thousands of miles away from the boarder and there are serious concerns that some will not be reunited with their parents ever. I can just imagine all the faulty paperwork that underpins this.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free."

Seeking asylum is not illegal but it seems many are not being persecuted and so are justifies in seeking asylum but simply would prefer a better life in America. In other words economic migrants. America cannot accommodate all Mexicans. The Mexican parents should not be so irresponsible as to put their children in a position whereby they would be classed as illegal immigrants.

So, such a good idea to elect this well rounded, balanced, experienced person to run your country.

But this is the American Dream in action. Anyone can rise to become POTUS.

With regard to the people who elected him, I keep wanting to say "Brexit parallels are evident " but I'll just leave it there...

day6, I think a lot of Trump's problem is his isolation from what we know as normal society and from the political system. In general, when someone rises to the top of the political system, they have worked their way up that system, in the UK they would start as a humble researcher for an MP, then go through the strenuous and gruelling selection process, learning on the job so to speak. Compare Trump: not only does he have no political experience, he has never even been an employee! He has never had to be a team player, to accept order which you may be unhappy about, all the things which us normal humans do as part of our career. He was given money by his father, probably because Trump senior recognised his son was unemployable. He is such an idiot he even lost money when running a casino. So, such a good idea to elect this well rounded, balanced, experienced person to run your country.

I think perhaps 'middle America' is an isolated and insular phenomenon. Hence the millions who voted trump into power.

I don't think that Trump is an isolated phenomenon Day6. Millions of people voted for him and lots support his actions. That's 'democracy' for you. Great when it's going your way but scary when it lets things you don't agree with creep out of the woodwork.

And to add to the above, he is also devoid of feeling.

We need to isolate this monster, make him aware that this behaviour is unacceptable in civilised society

I am a bit late to this thread but I think this is what has to happen GillT57

I am dumbfounded by Trump's thinking and behaviour. Where has he been all these years? Has he been isolated from decent human beings? I cannot put my finger on why he is so deranged. The rich, spoiled, arrogant brat bit is fairly easily explained, but the lack of humanity is very frightening and bewildering given his position in the world. He doesn't think, does he?

Whatever the rights or wrongs of illegal immigration, it has nothing to do with the children who are the innocent victims of their parents/Trumps actions.

To take the children from their parents, keeping sibling groups together and placing them in home like conditions, is, if not acceptable, at least shows some humanity, but to take these children from their parents, split family groups and treat the children as if they were murdering terrorists in Guantanamo: putting them in cages in windowless warehouses, or tents in the baking heat, marching them from one place to another within their accommodation in long lines with a guard both ends of the line- and then televising and photograph it - is child abuse in its grossest form.

Right from the start Trump has hated the Mexicans, remember the wall he was going to put up at the orders to keep them out, now he has turned his evil hand to helpless children ,What sort of human being can do that to defenceless children , separating them from their parents,, it's just heartbreaking to watch , Poor babies , He shouldn't be allowed to get away with it,

Quizqueen then maybe ...just maybe the good old USA and UK should stop bombing or supplying the bombs that force these people from the middle east to take such drastic action.I'm quite sure NOBODY wants to leave their homes and jobs and see their families injured or killed .They just want to get to safety .I'm (fairly) sure you might do the same in those circumstances...but given your point of view maybe not!!

Jalima1108, Putin is definitely getting that good publicity he needed.

I am wondering where the world will be in a few years time, and what a time for Britain to be leaving the joint strength and security of the European Union

Whatever Trump does now huge damage has been done to his administration and the world truly sees him for the neo-fascist that he is.

he does need some 'good press'

Yes very much agree with that Jalima1108. All the Brits out there are saying how good the police and security has been towards them.

Also very friendly Russian people especially in Volgograd (formally Stalingrad) where they were told to thoroughly enjoy themselves, but do not touch our war memorials in any disrespectful way.

As you say Jalima1108 very different from the last European Championships and just at the time that America is the demon in the world's eyes

Putin must be over the moon with it all.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/20/donald-trump-says-will-sign-executive-order-end-child-separation/

At the same time Russia gathers praise after praise from the world's media for the way it is organizing, handling and running the World cup and the great atmosphere surrounding it.
Very clever tactics Grandad1943
Organised, trained thuggery in 2016, nowhere to be seen this time?

America through Trumps childrens concentration camps seems determined to bring the hate of the free world down on it.

At the same time Russia gathers praise after praise from the world's media for the way it is organizing, handling and running the World cup and the great atmosphere surrounding it.

We seem to be living through very much changing times.