No no no MaizieD.
MaizieD Sun 05-Aug-18 21:39:50
"^If we didn't have 'risk-takers' we would not have entrepreneurs, emigrants - and no-one would have ever discovered the New World!! Or ever stood on the Moon^"
You responded to that post with:
Those were risks which were taken by individuals or a collection of like minded individuals and, IMO, has absolutely no comparison with voting Leave. Real risk takers, had they found life in the EU so utterly intolerable, would have packed up and gone to a country which had nothing to do with the EU^^Not selfishly involved other 'non risk takers' in their decision.
Now let us examine what you are saying here. In this Sovereign Nation a vote was held, two votes in fact under UK Law and UK Democratic majority voting system. The majority of people voted in both elections to leave the EU. Now your argument is:
Real risk takers, had they found life in the EU so utterly intolerable, would have packed up and gone to a country which had nothing to do with the EU^^Not selfishly involved other 'non risk takers' in their decision.
You miss the point the majority vote in two elections was to leave. Call those voters "risk takers" or Leave voters or both, the point is that we the UK, the British people, under our laws, democratic majority voting system accept, accept the majority vote. We all leave! If you as an individual then feel so strongly about that majority vote, it is you as you describe the remain voter "a non risk taker" who should, as you put it: "^packed up^" surely, and go to a country which had nothing to do with the UK.
You seem to have lost the sense of where you live, your sense of accepting the majority vote. That is how this Country makes it's decisions, within the Law. How you can tell those people who voted to leave the EU in two majority vote election's that they should have "^packed up and gone to a country which had nothing to do with the EU^" is mind boggling.
I hate to say this but it needs saying, that it is about time that those who are still using the name of the Remain voter in an attempt to overthrow this Government, this Country's Democratic majority voting system, and attempting to de-stablize our Parliamentary system, through organised activist, on-line propaganda and infiltration of opinion sites, subversive activities such as Fake News, misinformation, scaremongering and generally attempting to do this Country down, are not the ordinary remain voters, in fact they are being infiltrated by far left organisations to de-stabilize our basic values, our democracy, our laws. They will fail.
Even using the name Remainers by these groups has to a large extent been dropped for fear that there will be some retaliation from the genuine remain voter. These groups are self styling now as Pro Europe, and even Peoples Vote. That tells me that they are now trying to appear to represent all the People, well they do not represent me, they don't even represent my neighbours who voted remain, nor I suspect do they represent the majority of remain voters in the Towns and Cities of the Great Britain.
Some wealthy and powerful people who do not want us to leave the EU are putting so much money into trying to over throw democracy in this Country that one would think that even an activist would ask WHY? Why are they spending so much money? What is in it for them? We never hear why they want to stay in the EU only why we should not leave, and that is generally confined to how many lorries will be stacking up at Dover, will it mean I need a visa to go and see my family in France, Germany, Switzerland? Will my grandchildren be able to come to see me in the UK without a visa? Oh! I will have to show my passport on the boat, plane and train. Show your passport!, HEAVENS TO MURGATROYD! If people need visa's get visa's! If the lorries are stacked at Dover, well you tell me when they are not. As for the 'risk taker" and the 'non risk taker' labels, all I can say is that we are all in it together, like it or not Maizie. There may be hiccups along the way, but whatever Brexit brings, it won't bring down our Banking system the stress test of last week showed we can cope with dropping house prices, higher interest rates etc and the Banks can deal with the worst of scenarios. We have full employment almost, we have more positive business attitudes to a free world wide market, and to be frank I hope we go for the WTO option. But because believe in the Executive power of the Government when I vote, I will accept the deal that our negotiator do. That is how our democracy works Maizie.
The UK Government if any one wants to see just how organised they are and how ready they are only need to go on the Department for Exiting the EU website and it's all there. Go to the House of Commons Library site and see the white papers for every major department including Agriculture and Fisheries, and for our Green people you will see just how much of our farming industry will be 'going pesticide free, and ridding ourselves of neonicotinoid pesticides that kill our pollinator populations including Bees. It is down to that sort of detail. Not just organised ready. Maisie READ the hundreds of documents that our negotiating teams have already agreed, 80% according to Bernier. Sorry to shout but I am so cross at Maizies remark that we leavers should go to another Country outside the EU!! We are in a Country that is outside the EU, the United Kingdom of Great Britain as of March 2019.
Maizie I find your thinking at odd's with mine there is nothing new in that,but your post about leave voters going to another Country outside the EU is a peculiarity too far. I just can't see how you don't get the fact that we voted twice, we are a majority democratic voting system and we all accept the majority vote. We all Leave the EU. I am staggered by your comments about leavers going to another Country.
