If there was another EU referendum...

crystaltips
Well there are other ways to put it - warmongers versus peacemakers could be one.

Could you explain please?

Well, it was your friend who posted it in the first place.

I thought it was very apt.

It’s very easy to take risks with other peoples’ money/ lives which is what politicians do all the time. Now we have all Brexit voters cast as ambitious pioneers building a bold new empire. Well there are other ways to put it - warmongers versus peacemakers could be one.

Wrong thread - sorry!!

I think there is a fine line between teaching a child to be polite and making sure they have confidence too.

Well, MaizieD, it was a Gransnetter who has now left who posted that, something I have never forgotten.

I think it does sum up an attitude to life and to the EU - those who are cautious and worried about what change could do and those who think that some risks are worth taking, both for themselves and for the future of their families.

If we didn't have 'risk-takers' we would not have entrepreneurs, emigrants - and no-one would have ever discovered the New World!! Or ever stood on the Moon.

MaizieD
No, I am fed up of all these millionaires and multi millionaires telling witless Joe Public how to think, be they Reamainers or Leavers. I doubt you will ever see me quote one.

Nothing wrong at all with being a risk taker in your own life/business but extraordinarily selfish to take risks on behalf of fellow citizens who don't want to take risks.

jalima
The OH and I have always been risk takers. We have long held this view Re people who voted remain/leave.

Isn’t it interesting that in any divergence of opinion ,when all else fails we humans revert to name calling, finger pointing & nah nah nahing , hilarious really, only it isn’t is it, I should think that shows us how difficult the task of negotiating Brexit is.

It is, isn't it! Such words as Remoaners, thick, bigoted - all this has come out of the woodwork since that referendum.

I just always think of what one Gransnetter posted ages ago before the referendum, something she had read:

"It all depends on your attitude to risk".

People who are not risk takers will presumably stick to the safe, the known way of life and vote to stay in the EU, whereas those who are risk takers may vote to leave and face whatever the future may be.

I thought that was quite an interesting point of view.

the millionaire (made from his imagination)

Wrong sort of millionaire, eh, Joelsnan?

And the millionaires firmly behind Brexit? Farage, Banks, Rees-Mogg, owners of the Sun, The Mail and Telegraph? They're the right sort and the only ones to be believed?

Maybe Michael Murpurgo the millionaire (made from his imagination) could do with a dose of reality, when he says 'we have made a mistake'. He does not speak for millions of informed, educated voters who care about their societies future rather than the offshore contractors and millionaire industrialists who cry foul in an attempt to protect their devisive organisations, the gullible cowering at their protestations.

If there was another referendum, what would the questions be?

If you have ten minutes please listen to writer Michael Morpurgo's "Point of View" on Radio 4.

Michael Morpurgo argues it's time to think again over Brexit. "It is surely time to accept that we have made a mistake", he writes, "that whichever way we voted, things are not turning out the way we expected". "Or are we too proud?" he asks.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bclyj3

As democracy allows for people to actively oppose any measure by any legal means, up to and including working to change that measure, and for people to change their minds, I will continue to say that anyone who judges this to be wrong has very little idea about how democracy works.

As for citing the Rule of Law, that is rich coming from a Leaver when the Electoral Commission has found that electoral law has been broken by some of the Leave campaigns and has referred the matter to the police.

Perhaps with regard to my first point, Ally you could cite some laws which the Remainer 'activists' are breaking?

Isn’t it interesting that in any divergence of opinion ,when all else fails we humans revert to name calling, finger pointing & nah nah nahing , hilarious really, only it isn’t is it, I should think that shows us how difficult the task of negotiating Brexit is. Thank goodness GNetters aren’t the negotiators ??

If you are going to sling mud and pin labels on people it helps to get your facts right.

Anarchy might mean to destroy existing government and laws in one definition but it also means not replacing it with any government or laws. Don’t think that applies to anyone on here particularly.

MaizieD I will from now on call the activist remain groups who are attempting to bring down our Democratic processes: Anarchists.

You said: Oh wow! I am quaking in my shoes, (or would be if I were wearing any at the moment)

Does this comment from you mean you relate to the anarchist remain activist groups Maizie?

Anarchist: someone who wishes to destroy the existing government and laws:
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/anarchis

Can you relate to this description Chrystaltipps?

MazieD don't be so sensitive...I did not say you thought I was stupid. It was jut a comment! You are doing it again attacking the person not the ball.

You are so predictable, which is so boring!

Presumably Richard North, who has been campaigning for brexit for the last thirty years, is not stupid either, yet he is very, very alarmed at the possible future we are now facing.

"Bearing in mind that close-on 40 percent of our food currently comes from the Continent, if that supply chain is disrupted,we could have serious shortages, particularly in fresh foods. We would be confronting the very real possibility of empty supermarket shelves and people going hungry. "

www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86542

^ I might be old but not stupid.^

Stupidity wasn't mentioned, Ally. 'Not knowing' was mentioned and that is ignorance rather than stupidity.

Ignorance can be rectified if there is no stupidity involved

As for this:

I will from now on call the activist remain groups who are attempting to bring down our Democratic processes: Anarchists.

Oh wow! I am quaking in my shoes, (or would be if I were wearing any at the moment)

Anarchy means without effective rule or government. I think people would like an effective government, we haven’t got one at the moment. That wouldn’t be anarchy then would it?

I know enough to recognise what is going on Maizie! I might be old but not stupid.