Likely consequenses of brexit

The US is slightly larger than us, Petra and, I don't know if you've noticed this but we are not yet a third country.

Also, the US is supposedly the 'leader of the free world'; we're not. They are more important than us. Something you'll have to get used to, perhaps.

It is, but not a member of the EU. The U.K. is in a unique position for a few months.

MaizieD
The US is a third county, but he's still going to Washington to talk about trade

Juncker has not got himself involved in trade talks with us, so far.

We can't have trade talks with the EU until we are a third country.

But now it's reported that Berlin is very worried for its car exports to the US.

Any sensible country would be worried about the loss of any of its trade. Which is why I can't understand why Leavers are salivating over the prospect of losing trade with the EU... Especially as we have no trade deals lined up for exit day. Unless countries we currently trade with through EU deals are kind enough to roll over our T & Cs until we've negotiated new deals with them. A big if....

joelsnan
I think Berlin, notice I said Berlin and not Brussels as they are the ones who say jump, the rest say how high.
Anyway I think Berlin are saying 'perhaps we can take the hit' from the uk, but if the US bring in these huge tariffs we are in deep poo poo.
They don't send the big guns over ( juncker) for nothing, this is serious.
By the way, Macron isn't happy with this visit at all, shame

crystaltipps
Juncker may as well cancel his ticket as in your opinion it has no meaningful purpose although the German motor trade estimate that, if, trump slaps a 20/25% tariff on German car imports it could affect 2 million jobs.

Typical of the EU bureaucrats Junker et al. Trumpeting free trade agreements with Japan and the likes that involve no borders, no free movement of people, no tarrifs etc....who are the fools?
Although Trump is a dangerous clown, there was a grain of truth in his problem with EU/US trade which he said had been based on post war economies where the original common market countries, principally Germany were suffering badly from the 2nd war. He stated that the trade agreements were favourably biased towards the common market to assist with the rebuilding. Now that these countries are recovered and strong it was time to rebalance the trade agreements and this is what is creating the anxiety. Apart from stumping up their fair share for Nato, they could well have to trade with the US on a more equal basis.

No because the Brits don’t make their own cars anymore, the Americans do. Well off Brits will still buy their Mercs and BMWs even if they’re more expensive.

Why is juncker going to Washington to have 'trade' talks with trump?
The US have a trade deficit with the eu of about $151 billion.
We have a trade deficit of about £80 billion ( roughly $100 billion)
Juncker has not got himself involved in trade talks with us, so far.
But now it's reported that Berlin is very worried for its car exports to the US. Strange that they don't seem at all concerned with the £20 billion+ car exports to us ?

Of course it does matter Nicenanny- the Nice convention agrees too. With such a tiny majority based on fraud, now proven, and huge lies, proven, and misinformation, proven, and so many denied the vote, proven, combined with the death of so many at one end, and the coming of age of so many at the other, and so many saying they did not vote because there was no way of knowing what they voted for and what it would mean - YES, IT DOES MATTER

Japanese business needs to be added to that equation now surely.

From the website FullFact Nov. 2017
The Heading.
Trade with the eu matters a lot, but slightly less than it used to.
About 43% of uk exports in goods and services went to other eu countries in the eu in 2016. £240 billion out of £550 billion total exports.
The eu's share of the world economy has been declining too.
In particular the developing world has been growing faster than the developed world and * is expected* to continue doing so.

If any leaver feels inclined to ask once again why I voted to leave, can I refer you to the above.

17.4 million voted to Leave. It doesn't really matter why people didn't turn up to vote in the Referendum (they couldn't make up their mind, they couldn't be bothered etc) The facts are 17.4 million did take the trouble to vote leave and Leave won.

"I bet millions didn’t have weetabix for breakfast this morning....for a variety of reasons." but they aren't forcing the rest of us to eat porridge whether we want to or not. Breakfast means breakfast.

The vote was far too simplistic, the remain campaign a shambles, the leave campaign distorted/ lied about facts, eg Nhs. It was like the invasion of Iraq, there was no plan for what happened next.
Voters only knew it was an in or out response. Very poor on every level. Interesting that Cameron became and remains the invisible man.

How could they not have known!

I have asked for the above link to be deleted asap, as it did not copy correctly. It seems that previewing posts does not allow to check links.

If anyone else can copy today's interview- I'd be grateful

No-one, but no-one at all who voted for Brexit could possibly now the facts of what they were voting for. No-one knew, not even the Government.

As he says, like someone deciding to buy a house without knowing the price or anything about it apart from its basic location and look.

I certainly know many who did not vote, because they did not understand the issues (not surprisingly- if the Government did not, how would the ordinary wo/man know) ... and felt it was too big a decision to take without proper information or factual knowledge- like our DD2 and her partner, and some of her friends. They all bitterly regret not having voted now they do understand what is at stake.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

We can discuss the figures ad nauseam. The fact remains that out of the 45 or so million eligible voters in this country 17 million people believed we would be better off outside the EU. Of course there are many reasons why some did not vote. I think it's fair to say that a degree of apathy was involved. In my case it was disenfranchisement. To me it seems insane to let those 17 million leave voters decide on an issue of such importance on a whim. When I speak to family and friends in Europe they really do feel we did not just decide to leave them; we took leave of our senses.

Just stop claiming that most British people voted for brexit. They didn't.

Sir John Major has warned hardline "fanatical" Tory Brexiteers are putting their desire to leave the European Union ahead of the national interest and could bring down the Government.

The former prime minister said Theresa May was facing a battle against "Tea Party" Tories which was tougher than the fight he had with Eurosceptics in the 1990s.

Sir John, who campaigned to remain in the European Union, said if Parliament rejected any deal the Prime Minister struck with Brussels it could force another general election.

He also said there was "undoubtedly" a case for a second referendum on Brexit.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sir-john-major-warns-fanatical-tory-brexiteers-will-trigger-early-general-election-a3889721.html

Unfortunately varian is not advancing the argument for remain one iota with this spurious information.

They didn’t vote for Remain either so it’s a pointless statement to say that blah blah millions didn’t vote for Brexit.I bet millions didn’t have weetabix for breakfast this morning....for a variety of reasons.

I can see Varian's point.
When she says 48 million did not vote for Brexit, that doesn't mean they were against Brexit. But for a variety of reasons didn't give a positive vote.
eg not qualified to vote, don't know, don't care, poorly on the day, out of the country on the day etc.

Again, Professor Dougan, THE expert on International Law, explains clearly why the EU cannot accept the demands of the UK:

www.facebook.com/FullEnglishBrexit/videos/995317573975576/

countrymeters.info/en/United_Kingdom_(UK)/#age_structure. I found this site. It keeps changing! Fascinating!