Likely consequenses of brexit

Who are these silly buggers?

It won’t just be unfortunate for me MaizieD but unfortunate for you as well as every person who lives in the UK if the EU rejects a fair proposition.
We could end up walking away, but who knows, in the end that could be the best solution if the above does happen.
My feeling now, is that the EU will do a deal with us, because they have been expecting to all along.
Our own politicians are now the sticking point as to our getting a good deal though, as they continue playing silly buggers.

The government has now spent more than two years negotiating with the Conservative Party.

It was utterly irresponsible of TM to trigger Article 50 at a time when they were in no position to start negotiating because they did not know what they wanted.

One of the biggest lies of the brexiters, which we hear repeated over and over again is "we all knew what we were voting for ".

The truth is none of them knew what they were voting for. How many understood the difference between a hard and soft brexit, let alone jumping off the cliff with a no deal?

How many leave voters even thought about the NI border?

How many thought that EU immigrants were costing this country money when in truth they contribute far more than they take?

How many leave voters ever questioned the opinions of the right-wing gutter press or wondered why the billionaire proprietors were telling them to vote leave?

Exactly Maizie- the Government can decide what it wants to negotiate, but as they know it cannot be accepted by the EU- as it goes totally against the basic principles of the EU - then the question is 'is it deliberate to force the no deal option'.

Lies, lies and more lies. As Obama so rightly said today in SA:

www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10156068482631939/

What T May has proposed seems fair enough to me, and has got through the first round in Parliament.

Unfortunately for you, lemon, it won't be accepted by the EU, whether in its original form or in as amended last night. They've already said the 'max fac' customs solution is a no no and the amendments stymie the chances of solving the NI border problem.

Unless we leave via the EEA (the 'Norway' option which May has rejected) it'll be No Deal or Remain.

If it's No Deal the UK grinds to a halt.

We could all shout to our heart's content that we 'believe in Brexit' but it's pure fantasy to think it will make this mess any better.

eprints.lse.ac.uk/65018/1/__lse.ac.uk_storage_LIBRARY_Secondary_libfile_shared_repository_Content_SERC%20discussion%20papers_2015_sercdp0185.pdf

Analysis of impact of offshoring jobs.

Before he resigned as Foreign Secretary, Boris Johnson wrote an article in which he all but admitted the cause of a hard Tory Brexit was lost.

He and the likes of Michael Gove, Nigel Farage, Liam Fox, David Davis and the Daily Mail’s Paul Dacre sold the British people a false bill of goods in 2016. The truth, confirmed by myriad, independent post-referendum studies, is that leaving the EU, on whatever terms, will harm the livelihoods, living standards and job prospects of most British citizens, especially the young.

The truth is that Brexit will damage the cohesion, mutual tolerance and integrity of British society in numerous, avoidable ways. The dawning, sobering truth, as we have always argued, is that Brexit – soft, hard or medium-rare – is a disaster in the making that will render Britain a weaker, lonelier, poorer and uglier place.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/10/the-observer-view-on-mps-having-chance-to-vote-in-interests-of-people-on-brexit

Tell that to the ultrabrexiters - you don't need me to give you their names.

Lots of people are ‘passionate’ about things, and their truth or the way they see it are not seen or felt by everyone.
The future is an unknown, whether we stay in the EU or come out of it.Ranting, because everybody doesn’t feel the same as you is always pointless.

Anna Soubry is far from crazy. She is passionate in what she believes and tells the truth. Some people may not like to hear it, but it is still true.

No demands, polite request.

Your . of v is meaningless if your are not prepared to discuss it and explain yourself, in a school room or here, or anywhere for that matter - unless you are .....
well, best not said.

Are we back in the school room?
I make a point of not replying to any demands or calls for explanations on GN jura.
Soubry is one of those people who Brexit has turned into a crazy person.

Having said that lemon, could you please discuss what Anna Soubry said, rather than her delivery of it. At the end of the day, that is what counts. Do take on the points she made and tell us how you think she has 'lost the plot'.

Anna Soubry is angry, and passionate- and in the circumstances, I totally understand why she sounded so, for sure.

Yes, I do wish she could have said what she said in a calmer and less strident manner- it would have had even ore weight. However, she was being interrupted all the time- so she had to insist on keeping the floor- and she was being directly attacked by some- so I totally understand why she spoke in such a way. What she said was totally and absolutely correct, sincere and very very exact. Respect. Will be writing a card to her this afternoon to thank her personally.

What T May has proposed seems fair enough to me, and has got through the first round in Parliament.If extreme Brexiters and extreme Remainers ( in HOC) would belt up and get on with it, we may actually start to get somewhere.

The majority just want to ‘get on with it’ not get out of it.

Good one Varian, perfect. Yes let's.

Oh if only...

If you think that the majority is no longer interested in brexit, then let's just forget it.

I don't suppose that Greece would agree that its experience of being a member of the EU has been one of "values, principles and finding win-win solutions for all those concerned" either Joelsnan.

I wouldn't sum up the UK's EU experience in those terms which was why I voted leave.

Lemongrove
Agreed.
However i think the majority are no longer interested in Brexit its totally disintegrated into a childish points scoring quagmire.
Each supposedly lustening but not hearing.

Joelsnan good post, and I agree with all of it.

^Mr Juncker said: "[The] impact of today's agreement goes far beyond our shores. Together we are a making, by signing this agreement, a statement about the future of free and fair trade.
"We are showing that we are stronger and better off when we work together. And we are leading by example, showing that trade is about more than tariffs and barriers. It is about values, principles and finding win-win solutions for all those concerned^

The duplicity of this statement beggars belief! So it can easily be done.
However if the well trumpeted EU-Canada deal is anything to go by, i wouldnt hold my breath.

Actually, I think it’s Soubry that has lost the plot, she appears crazier by the day.

Grandad1943
I have requested on at least three occasions on this forum what Brexit supporters have to say to those thousands of employees and their families who believe that they will lose their jobs through Britain leaving the European Union.
Obviously you do not read responses to your post. I personally have given detailed response on at least two occasions.

If you are so so sure that 1000 of jobs will go...prove it, prove this is not a ruse by rich companies to maintain their vast profit making enterprises to the detriment of the employee. There is no proof that these jobs might not go even if we stayed in the EU,. It is a more likely scenario for Germany to encourage relocation to Eastern European states to keep them subservient and not 'friendly up' to Russia.
You are fearful of losing jobs to the EU when actually we have already lost thousands and thousands already. Do check it out.

It has also been asked what the benefits of Brexit will be for the average person in the street. No one can say anything other than negatives.