Likely consequenses of brexit

"Blind unreasoning dogma" - that is part of the problem - each side is not listening to the other.

Ask a man whose family rely on the fishing trade if his vote to leave is "unreasoning dogma" - his vote will be because the EU has taken away his livelihood.

Not all leave voters are Farage clones.

Even reasonable remain voters recognise that the EU was a mixed blessing for many people. And I guess that the government's inability to mitigate these ill effects would have been in the mind of many voters.

Yes, I will have so many choices of lemon groves now, it won’t be restricted to Europe. ?

Oh, did the vile and monstrous EU prevent you from holidaying anywhere other than in EU member states, lemon?

Sense of humour bypass for some I see ( as per usual) ?

..perhaps it is not, NOT funny at all?

And I do have a wicked SOH.

Oh, was it meant to be funny, lemon?

The UK fishing industry was treated with utter contempt by Nigel Farage, and it is sickening to think that anyone whose family rely on the fishing trade could ever have supported him.

Over the three years that Nigel Farage was a member of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, he attended one out of 42 meetings. Greenpeace research shows that during the three major votes to fix the flaws of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP), Nigel Farage was in the building but failed to vote in favour of improving the legislation.

In 2013, Nigel Farage was again present but chose not to vote on the part of the reform of the CFP that introduces an obligation on governments to give more fishing quota to sustainable fishermen who contribute the most to the local, coastal economies.

www.greenpeace.org.uk/press-releases/farages-voting-record-on-fishing-makes-mockery-of-new-election-poster/

Ask a man whose family rely on the fishing trade if his vote to leave is "unreasoning dogma" - his vote will be because the EU has taken away his livelihood.

As I understand it boat owners sold their quotas along with their boats to other EU member states. So it looks like a bit of a self inflicted wound (like voting Leave to make the UK poorer...)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/britains-fishy-role-in-the-quota-hopping-scandal-1315516.html

We also export some 60% of our fish products to the EU. When we become a 'third country' after Brexit they are likely to become subject to EU tariffs and 'non tariff barriers' (extra documentation, border inspections etc) and so become less competitive in the EU market. Whether this can be compensated for in some as yet unnegotiated FTA with another, more distant, market is a big unknown.

just like our GVT sold our water, electricity including nuclear power, gas, airports, and more, to EU and non EU partners, including Putin’s Russia... and is going to sell NHS, farming standards, the environment and all the rest to Trump’s america. Get back control ... they said hmmmm

I really do wonder how much or how little some people know about the essential utilities mentionned above, and the massive number of previous UK key flagship businesses (some still with British names) -have been sold lock, stock and barrel ... We are now totally dependent on those foreign owners, investors and suppliers - and this has nothing at all to do with the EU - well apart that many investors and business owners on whom we rely for taxes to pay for NHS, education, etc, etc, and 100s of 1000s of jobs. It is truly scary ... as said before, how on earth can UK gain back control when they have sold control of most things, and are now prepared to sell control of little is left ?!?

I am not sure that Nigel Farage's inaction or otherwise whilst pretending to be an EU representative is relevant to the concerns that these fishermen and their families feel.

of course Lucky, and yet, as Maizie pointed out, the effect of tarifs to sell fish to the EU, will probably make things worse, not better. Combined with longer transfer, queues and complications in EU ports... and a possible boycott by many EU people of UK goods.

Oh dear, I gave into temptation and popped back in.
Big mistake.
Love the ? lemon !

Of course, PamelaJ1, Ignoring these little problems will make them go away.

jura2
Your post at 11.16. Please don't attempt to teach us grandmothers how to suck eggs. Do you really think that the majority of people who live in the uk had no idea what has happened to our utilities.

Love the ? lemon
Pamela That's just the holiday cottage (one of them) - you should see her main mansion house!

so Petra, how does one ‘take back control’ of essential utilities and businesses WE have voluntarily sold ...much if it to our EU allies, soon not to be?

there are of course no reasons why they should not up prices if they wish...Same for essential drugs, satellite systems, security, border checks and stopping illegal immigrants, and so so much more.

UK Fishing Industry.
"The Environment Secretary said new opportunities outside the CFP will benefit the environment and coastal communities, and give a much-needed boost to the trawlermen.
He insisted freedom from EU rules would improve sustainability by enabling the Government to safeguard stocks for future generations by imposing controls on who fishes in UK waters and the methods they use.
Writing in The Times ahead of the release of a White Paper outlining his vision of Britain’s post-Brexit fishing industry Mr Gove said: “You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who cares about our seas, or depends on them economically, who has a good word say about the CFP.
“During the time that we’ve been in the EU our fishing industry has suffered, stocks have become depleted and a precious natural resource has been mismanaged.
“There have been reforms along the way which have mitigated some of that damage but the fact remains that the CFP hasn’t worked in our, or nature’s, best interests.”
Mr Gove complained Britain had been given an unfair share the fish in its waters which had a huge impact on fishing communities from Shetland to Cornwall.
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Coastal communities are also set to benefit from Britain's departure from the CFP
He said: “Once thriving businesses have closed, families have lost their livelihoods, communities have been hollowed out. I’ve seen it up close and personal.
"For a maritime nation this loss has been much more than economic. It’s been soul-deep.
“What’s made it worse, is that the management of our seas under the common fisheries policy wasn’t driven by the highest environmental imperatives.
“And it hasn’t kept pace with our developing understanding of best practice in marine conservation.”
Mr Gove said after Brexit Britain would manage access to its waters by bringing in smarter controls to protect the marine environment.fleets

He said he wanted the UK to build on the progress made by other independent coastal states such as Iceland and New Zealand which have both introduced successful fisheries policies.
He said: “The White Paper we’re launching today is another - very significant - part of that work.
“It demonstrates how Britain, outside the EU, can set a global gold standard for sustainable management of our seas.
“And it offers a brighter future to communities who deserve to know that we are on their side.”"

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/983604/brexit-news-fishing-EU-michael-gove-white-paper-common-fisheries-policy-CFP

Petra, no sucking eggs or sour lemons. If people behave in a way that indicates that they are clearly NOT aware of very important and relevant facts, is it not fair to assume they are not Au Fait with them. Just simple logic.

Jura2 The White Paper is out today:

Intro to the Paper:
As an independent coastal state for the first time in over 40 years, access to UK waters will be on our terms, under our control and for the benefit of UK fishermen. Today we are setting out our plans to promote a more competitive, profitable and sustainable fishing industry across the whole of the UK, and setting a gold standard for sustainable fishing around the world.
The allocation of fishing opportunities under the CFP is outdated, and the UK’s share does not accurately reflect the resources in UK waters. On average between 2012 and 2016 other EU Member States’ vessels landed in the region of 760,000 tonnes of fish (£540 million revenue) annually caught in UK waters; whereas UK vessels landed approximately 90,000 tonnes of fish (£110 million revenue) caught in other Member States’ waters per year in the same time period. 1 As we leave the EU, we are committed to working closely with our partners to manage shared stocks in a sustainable way and share fishing opportunities on a fair and scientific basis. We have instigated a comprehensive programme of research to inform this process and provide the evidence to secure a fairer share of fishing opportunities for UK fishers.
There are specific and considerable opportunities for UK fisheries outside of the EU. In 2016, the UK exported £1.17 billion of seafood to the EU, and imported £1.04 billion from the EU. Equipped with a new fisheries policy, the UK fisheries sector will be in a strong position to trade seafood with export markets around the world.
Foremost, this White Paper recognises that healthy fish stocks are the first step to vibrant commercial and recreational fishing industries, and prioritises a healthy marine environment. We will continue to work under the principle of maximum sustainable yield, which has done so much to restore stocks, as well as to help to protect our valuable marine ecosystems, and we will continue to prevent wasteful discards. In all this, scientific evidence will guide decisions, making sure that we pass a healthy marine environment and profitable fishing industry on to the next generation. The commercial fishing industry and wider seafood sector are important to many coastal communities across England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (where particular attention will be given to maintaining cross-border co-operation).
As a dynamic industry, fisheries require rapid and responsive regulation. Bringing control back to the UK will enable greater scrutiny of fisheries policies, and swifter responses to changing scientific advice or circumstances and meeting our international obligations. This White Paper reflects continuing discussions with the Devolved Administrations, who are responsible for domestic fisheries management in their areas, and stakeholders. I hope that we will continue to work together to take advantage of the many and significant opportunities facing the fishing industry across our island nation.
Together we will cast a future arrangement that is good for fisheries, for the environment, and for consumers.
The Rt Hon Michael Gove MP

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/fisheries-white-paper-sustainable-fisheries-for-future-generations/sustainable-fisheries-for-future-generations-consultation-document

Take a look on the link. A lot more detail, of a sustainable "green " approach to the fishing policy.

Jura2 on your post essential utilities, this might give you a broader view:

"You will not be surprised to discover that when Jean-Claude Juncker, Angela Merkel and Donald Trump all agree on something, it isn’t a particularly good idea.
At the end of January, the American President announced he would be slapping severe import duties on Chinese solar panels – a carbon copy of a disastrous EU policy. Just as European tariffs on food and clothes drive up the prices of essential goods for consumers, so too tariffs on solar panels are pushing up our energy bills.
As so often, these European levies were designed with German industry in mind; a futile attempt by the Bundestag to both halt Chinese progress in an expanding sector and to dominate the European market.
This petty protectionism has worked predictably well: China was the top generator of solar power in the world last year, and as costs plummet will spend almost £300 billion on a huge amount of cheap renewable energy capacity in the next two years.
Meanwhile in Europe, all the tariffs have succeeded in doing is to push up bills for consumers and businesses, stifle growth in a burgeoning new industry at which Britain excels, and cost us, through our energy bills, an estimated £700 million in totally unnecessary subsidies.
All solar panels and modules imported into the EU from China have to be sold at or above a Minimum Import Price well above world prices; otherwise importers are required to pay a whopping tariff of 64.9 percent. This is one of the highest import tariffs in the extensive arsenal of protectionist EU trade measures.
Donald Trump is now following suit, with a 30% tariff on Chinese imports that is set to cost 23,000 US jobs. Have we learnt nothing from the past 30 years? The remarkable reduction in poverty we’ve seen across India and China is almost all down to the power of open markets. Get the obstacles for people to trade freely with one another out of the way and watch them flourish; strip away these egregious energy tariffs and solar would once again be undercutting fossil fuels to compete with wind as one of the cheapest sources of energy generation in the world.
As a recent report from UCL makes clear, solar and onshore wind are key to securing lower industrial energy prices, a sector that is often hit hard by policy costs. We know that both would deliver electricity well below UK wholesale prices, meaning they would not only be completely subsidy-free, but would lower wholesale costs across the board. As soon as we leave the European Union, the Government should strip away the tariffs and provide a route to market for these cheap technologies, moving towards its stated aim of the cheapest electricity in Europe. By dramatically reducing costs for businesses, this infusion of cheap clean energy would give more sustainable support to energy-intensive sectors like steel and chemicals than any government subsidy could.
Of course, while we will gain the ability to set our own terms of trade, we will not be turning our back on the continent. This will not mark the end of co-operation on energy with the EU, or indeed with the rest of the Europe.
The longest interconnecting electricity cable in the world will soon run across the seabed between the UK and Norway, and from 2021 will provide power to 750,000 British homes. Ofgem estimate that through importing cheap, low-carbon electricity and making money exporting excess UK-generated wind power, this agreement alone will save UK households up to £3.5 billion over 25 years. We are set to build many more interconnectors, including another to Norway, and to France, Belgium, Iceland and other countries over the coming years. The unimpeded free trade of electricity across our border will continue to bring down bills for businesses and consumers for decades to come; indeed, National Grid estimate that each additional gigawatt of interconnector capacity pushes down wholesale prices by 1-2%.
Those who would argue against this transition to a more open and connected energy system should be honest that they are making the case for protectionism and higher bills. The same closed logic applies to every essential good, from food to clothing. If we were to cut our electrical cables to the continent in case of total war with France, then we should also be stockpiling brie and berets in case the worst should occur.
Our energy system, like our politics post-Brexit, will be defined by digitisation, decentralisation, and democratisation. The roll out of smart meters will give consumers more choice over their energy use, while small scale generation like solar panels – or storage units like electric vehicles – will allow people to sell their energy back to the grid. Individuals, not big energy firms – and certainly not Brussels – will have control. Let’s strip back the tariffs and let the electrons flow. Power to the people."

brexitcentral.com/brexit-british-energy-market-free-cut-costs-consumers/

much if it to our EU allies, soon not to be
I do not understand why they will not continue to be our allies

Can't be bothered to read your lengthy cut and paste articles ally, but surely you are not bowing to the knowledge of bloody Michael Gove? The man was a fool when he was Education Secretary and is even worse now.

Do you wish to comment on the topic GillT, or just put someone else down?

Read or don't read....

Jalimall08, like you I don't understand why someone would think the EEA Country's would not continue to be our allies if needed or we their's.