Likely consequenses of brexit

I have just commented ally, read my comments regarding M Gove esq. Or is there now a minimum word count on GN before we can post?

oh Jalima... you are obviously not in regular contact with EU citizens, TV and Press ... or my French students or neighbours ??? (I live less than 500 m from France, metres not miles)

GillT57
It's a shame you didn't, both very good posts.
Ally
Thank you for the posts. Fishing and solar energy are 2 subjects I'm very interested in. I lived off grid for 20 years through solar and wind energy. We even have solar panels on our motohome roof

Being in the EU has let down our fishing industry massively, it has been a disgrace from start to finish.
High time to start to put things right when we exit the EU next year, but I fear that too much harm has already been done.
I suppose it could regenerate given time, and I hope that it will do.

Petra most of the information I have been reading about post Brexit policy, is looking environmentally friendly and certainly addressing green issues. An interesting one is about pollinators particularly Bees, and how the farming industry, including the hill farms and forestry will be moving towards natural pest control to protect pollinators and particularly Honey Bees. Michael Gove seems to be speaking a lot about these issues, as is DEFRA, and the Forestry Commission. The transition after Brexit will be well funded.

Sorry wandered off, fishing and energy, but the point was the recognition of green, environmental issues across policies. I like that.

You are so right about the EU and the fishing industry, it has been so depleted, with boats being tied up and our fishermen being paid to stand down whilst other EEA country vessels are fishing two miles off shore. All sorts of bad practice.

As you say, I too hope it isn't too late to boost the industry that is left and even, who knows, revive the industry, post Brexit.

lemon grove the last post was a response to you. Sorry forgot to put your name on the post.

The Dutch are now fishing within sight of our coast using electrocution nets which stun and kill every fish within range. Even if they’re small enough to go through the nets, they’re generally dead.

Being in the EU has let down our fishing industry massively

Then why did our fishermen sell their quotas to EU fishermen?

You're a bit behind the times, Nfk

European politicians have voted to ban fishermen from using electric currents to stun fish – a method known as pulse fishing.

The decision will most upset the Dutch, who have fitted around 80 trawlers with electro-charged nets that force fish near the bottom of the sea to float upwards.

The Dutch argue that the method is better for the environment than traditional trawling.

Dutch Agriculture Minister Carola Schouten said the EU parliament's decision to ban pulse fishing was "difficult to understand".

It seems like emotions and sentiments prevailed over independent research results and facts – that's very unfortunate," she added.

We will continue to defend the interests of Dutch pulse fishers in Europe and will fight this decision

There were loud cheers and applause in the Brussels chamber as the result of the vote was announced, according to the BBC.

The parliament will now enter into negotiations with the European Commission – which has previously acquiesced to the Dutch view about pulse fishing being better for the environment – and member states to agree new fishing regulations

Oh look, UK fishermen were thinking about doing it, too:.

The initial impact of the ban in the UK will be minimal as very few UK fleets use the method. But the result will be of interest to the national industry as fisherman have yet to decide whether to lobby the government for an expansion of pulse-fishing in post-Brexit UK waters.

Sorry, forgot the link:

www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-bans-killing-fish-via-electrocution-that-wont-affect-uk-after-brexit-1655426

NfkDumpling, thanks for that information, it confirms that the Dutch are fishing just off our shores, I think the point of your post was to confirm this as well as the waste, through indiscriminate fishing practices. Whilst UK fishermen are being paid to lay up their boats.

As for MaizieD's question "Then why did our fishermen sell their quotas to EU fishermen?" The answer to that lies with the fishermen.

according to a fisherman relative of mine based in the western isles ,if the EU hadn't taken control we would have run out of fish decades ago."British" fishermen were overfishing our waters with disatrous results.The EU was resonsible for the restocking and control of how much was taken.
Now I suppose some fishermen would object to the" control "but surely not the restocking of waters that were depeted ?

As for MaizieD's question "Then why did our fishermen sell their quotas to EU fishermen?" The answer to that lies with the fishermen.

Oh, very gnomic, ally.

So, having sold of a large part of their quota to fishermen from other EU states they then complained about them taking their fish...

I absolve them from voting for that useless idiot who was supposed to be on the EU Fisheries Committee (because they were too widely scattered over the UK) , where their point of view might just have been considered, but shooting themselves in the foot and then crying that it hurts wasn't very impressive.

paddyan, that's a point of view I have heard before, too.

Pleased to hear there’s been a vote to ban pulse fishing Maisie. Life has been rather busy this year and I must have missed it!

That's the EU parliament for you, Nfk, it has powers...

And, to be fair, a second article I read on the topic of pulse fishing seemed to be saying that the UK would ban it, too.

The dilemma seems to be, though, that conventional beam trawling of the sea bed is extremely destructive of the sea bed environment and pulse fishing is destructive of the marine life. So neither are particularly desirable.

I don’t think we have any trawlers or drifters around here anymore!

Britain’s biggest vehicle manufacturer, Jaguar Land Rover, has warned it may have to rethink billions of pounds of UK investment, while its 40,000 British employees would face an uncertain future, if the UK leaves the EU single market.
The company said it needed greater certainty to continue to invest heavily in the UK, in a statement released two days before Theresa May is due to meet ministers at Chequers to discuss the post-Brexit deal they will seek with Brussels.
“A bad Brexit deal would cost Jaguar Land Rover more than £1.2bn profit each year,” said the firm’s chief executive, Ralf Speth

Do they export most of their cars to the EU? I’m curious as the majority of new cars around here are German.

I think it’s to do with the supply chain. They buy a lot of parts from EU. Of course the government and Brexiteers will say f* business and they shouldn’t speak out, but what are they supposed to do? Sit back whilst their businesses suffer? Still May is going to cobble together two unworkable proposals to make one big unworkable proposal which will be rejected by both sides, so at least she will have united the two sides against her. Great statesmanship.

Interesting report on JLR on Radio 4 this morning with explanations of the logistics and deliveries, how the lorry with the yellow wing mirrors arrives just after the lorry with the yellow door panels, a very carefully managed and controlled process. The Brexit supporting MP ( didn't catch his name) who came on just blustered, over talked, patronised, blah, blah, blah, over the interviewer, didn't answer any pertinent questions and of course just inferred that the people who run JLR don't know what they are talking about while he, an MP is the fount of all knowledge about motor trade logistics. I am truly starting to get frightened now, this is like living in a bad drama with fools and idiots pushing their agenda, irrespective of the truth.

Oh, and the man from JLR said that to have a warehouse big enough to hold a week's worth of components, instead of Just in Time deliveries, they would need a warehouse the size of which has never been seen.

I heard that interview too Gill and I was utterly appalled at the arrogant nonsense spouted by Owen Paterson MP, one of the swivel-eyed ultra brexiteers.

We should listen to experienced business people, trade unionists and academics, who actually do understand the risks. It is absurd that expertise is dismissed in favour of dogma.

I heard that too, Gill. I did wonder what happens when the French go on strike,bad weather, etc. I did think the other MP (whoever he was) had a point that we could import from elsewhere and component part prices would be more competitive. Both had salient points, I thought.

And if he hadn’t over talked he wouldn’t have managed to get a word in! I’m getting fed up with interviewers going on and on and not letting the interviewee talk. There was one woman the other day who said “We haven’t got much time, but ......”. And wittered on for so long the interviewee hardly got a word in!

I have heard before about a part being made in the UK, transported to somewhere in Europe to have another bit added and then brought back. A lot of mileage and no one questioned why the whole thing couldn’t be made here. Or there.

Owen Paterson.

NfkDumpling
Re German car imports into the uk last year: 810,000. That's 1in7 produced in Germany. We are the 2nd largest importers after the the US. Not a figure to be sniffed at, is it?