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Likely consequenses of brexit

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varian Tue 03-Jul-18 20:40:02

If brexit happens, as I fear it probably will, the consequences, both intended and unintended, are likely to damage this country to an unprecedented extent.

As it is the most important political issue of our times, I believe we should continue to discuss it on GN, but we must be prepared for a continuence of the blind unreasoning dogma we have had so far from the little band of brexitextreemists on GN who will just keep their fingers in their ears.

Even so, I think it is important to continue to seek out the truth. We owe it to our children and grandchildren.

jura2 Fri 06-Jul-18 19:40:46

KPMG are not even waiting for the final deal to move staff out of UK. Other major banks/financial institutions are ready.

varian Fri 06-Jul-18 19:38:30

That was before the disastrous referendum which has cause our economy to sink from the fastest growing in the EU to the bottom of the league.

lemongrove Fri 06-Jul-18 19:37:12

Amazing we can so something right eh Petra wink

petra Fri 06-Jul-18 19:36:24

I forgot palpable inertia grin

petra Fri 06-Jul-18 19:33:33

In 2015 the uk was voted the top entrepreneurial country in Europe. Even better, it was voted 4th in the world out of 130 countries. All 4 countries were English speaking.
Not bad, eh for a no nothing, lazy, backward looking country, is it.
Oh, and it must be true, it was in the Guardian grin

varian Fri 06-Jul-18 19:31:06

Thank you for the compliment but I am certainly not a one person band. I am one of the majority of British citizens who did not vote leave and right now would prefer to remain in the EU. That is the will of the people of whom I am only one.

lemongrove Fri 06-Jul-18 19:26:01

Varian is a one person band for singing the EU’s praises for the last two years.I actually admire your stamina, but think it’s misplaced.

lemongrove Fri 06-Jul-18 19:24:01

Inertia? grin that would be the EU !

varian Fri 06-Jul-18 19:23:14

There are some of us who welcome you Greta and would wish more than anything that this awful fraudulent referendum had never been allowed to happen. It has opened up a can of worms and brought out the very worst aspects of Little England. Quite shameful.

Jalima1108 Fri 06-Jul-18 19:12:10

When left to our own devices there is a palpable inertia. We drag our feet
Really?

Of course the country has undergone a transformation - it would have done so within or without the EU!

Greta Fri 06-Jul-18 19:10:14

Lemongrove: ^Just as many of us are looking forward to being free of the
Clutches of Brussels^.

Better the devil you know...

I am an EU-national and have lived and worked in the UK for 45 years. I don't think many Brits under 40 understand the transformation this country has undergone since joining the EU. When left to our own devices there is a palpable inertia. We drag our feet. We know things could be done more efficiently but hey-ho, never mind. We often let things go desperately wrong and then there is a knee-jerk reaction.
I love this country dearly. I love its people but I now fear for them.

jura2 Fri 06-Jul-18 17:46:54

Project Fear was about Brexit, eg POST Brexit ... you ain't seen nothing yet.

BTW 1000s would leave for so many reasons, uncertainty, job relocation, better conditions and salaries and quality of life, education, etc....

but also because many EU and other foreign workers, at all levels, send money back home, or save to return home later or in retirement, and if Sterling plummets even further ... it will just not be worth it.

jura2 Fri 06-Jul-18 17:43:26

well. wait and see, the ones I know are ready indeed. What about all the EU doctors, nurses, teachers, key job holders, CEOs and business owners... they have been leaving in droves already, leaving NHS even more vulnerable.
What about all the big businesses that have recently said they could not operate effectively after Brexit... do you think their workers will stay and sign on the dole, or go wherever when invited with great relocation packages and much higher salaries?

nigglynellie Fri 06-Jul-18 17:41:48

Project fear was one big lie!!

lemongrove Fri 06-Jul-18 16:57:05

What does need to end soon is the uncertainty about how we are leaving the EU, and hopefully, it soon will be.

lemongrove Fri 06-Jul-18 16:55:10

It’s not so easy to up sticks and move the entire family who have jobs, schools, friends, lives in the UK, and not many can do it, unless they are from another EU country in the first place.
I don’t think a mass exodus will take place at all.

jura2 Fri 06-Jul-18 16:52:11

Lucky, a vote with such a tiny minority, now PROVEN to have bin won on huge lies and fraudulent methods, just cannot in any way, represent 'Democracy'. Even more so in a country with a Century old system of Representative Democracy, and in one which, by its OWN laws, states that a Referendum can only ever be advisory.

lemongrove Fri 06-Jul-18 16:52:10

The vote wasn’t like normal politics after all, and was split across all parties.

lemongrove Fri 06-Jul-18 16:51:04

If you talk to your friends/relatives etc the way you talk to others on forums Varian ( about politics....re the referendum) pretty soon you wouldn’t have anyone to talk to at all.
Unless you only mix with those who voted Remain and shun anyone who didn’t!
There have been posts on GN from people who have fallen out with their families over how they voted, which is pretty stupid to get into that scenario.

jura2 Fri 06-Jul-18 16:48:32

... and most are preparing to take their knowledge, business and investments with them ... and of course all the tax that goes with the above.

jura2 Fri 06-Jul-18 16:46:31

Maizie, indeed they are ready to go... doctors, nurses, teachers, CEOs and owners of igh tax paying companies ad many more... all people of very high calibre. And all those who have recently applied in droves for Irish passports and other dual EU nationalities.

MaizieD Fri 06-Jul-18 16:38:32

^ I can't wait until the fishermen, who do such a valuable and perilous job, can finally get to have control over our waters.^

There seems to be some doubt about this, Luckylegs

There are only two ways of achieving a bigger catch for the UK, said Ruth Westcott of Sustain, an alliance of food and farming advocates: to repatriate some of the nearly 60% of the UK’s fish stocks currently allocated – in some cases, rented or sold by UK fishermen – to foreign-owned vessels, or to discover new or under-exploited fishing stocks. The latter is extremely unlikely, unless the government is prepared to water down its commitments not to overexploit species.

As for repatriating fishing rights in UK waters currently held by other EU fleets, ministers will face stiff opposition. “This would involve the EU and Norway saying yes they are happy with this, which is a fantasy,” said Westcott.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/06/uk-fishing-fleets-unlikely-to-gain-from-brexit-despite-goves-claims-say-experts?CMP=share_btn_tw

Luckylegs9 Fri 06-Jul-18 16:14:24

If Brexit happens. That is what is happening, the people chose. We are a Democacy, despite attempts by a lot of disgruntled people who want to keep having referendums until they get the result they want. This is such a waste of time, effort and money. Work together to get the best deal for Great Britain. I can't wait until the fishermen, who do such a valuable and perilous job, can finally get to have control over our waters.

MaizieD Fri 06-Jul-18 16:04:53

I doubt that in reality many will pack up and go and work in a EU country, no matter what they say on forums.

Believe you me, they've either already gone or have made serious preparations.

Bridgeit Fri 06-Jul-18 15:21:08

Yes definitely Varian, I agree