Likely consequenses of brexit

Sorry this is not really about brexit, except that I think if more people talked about politics and were better Informed we might not be in this mess.

There are people who believe they should never talk politics for fear of falling out. Of course lots of folk who have little or no interest in politics and if the subject is raised will resort to some slogan or newspaper headline.

Not long ago I went to a funeral of a chap in his eighties. The large church was packed but I managed to find a seat next to an ex work colleague. He asked how I knew the 'dear departed and when I old him it was through the LibDems, he said "you mustn't have anything to do with politics or you won't have any friends". I said "Do you really think so?", looking round the crowded church which by this time was standing room only!

Sad to say terms such as Little band of Brexitextreemists & Remaining Remoaners is a sad reflection of how infantile & childlike we all really are underneath our veneer of being sensible grown ups trying to do the best for our country & our inhabitants . It’s just a bigger Playground., sorry but I can’t help adding a nahnahnenahnah ?

I fully understand any country wanting independence, and if Scotland vote that way in the future, good luck to them Likewise Catalonia, although that has been ruthlessly stamped on!
Just as many of us are looking forward to being free of the
Clutches of Brussels.

I doubt that in reality many will pack up and go and work in a EU country, no matter what they say on forums.

We have had no discussions with friends/family/ neighbours about the referendum and which way we voted and why, and think lots of people in the UK are the same.
We know which they they all voted of course, but respect each others reasoning.Discussing politics is the fastest way to fall out with people, so better not done in RL.

All that was on the ballot paper, POGS was a choice between leaving or remaining in the EU. Nothing about 'independence' or 'sovereignty'.

People are diverse in their thinking. The attitudes that jura reports are real and no more or less illogical or unpleasant than some of the anti-EU rhetoric that has been bandied around both on here and on social media generally.

You might not like it, but, as you are a Leaver, I'm sure you'll understand if I suggest that you just 'suck it up'.

All I can say is if you agree with that sort of thinking

You don't have the faintest notion of what I think about it so please don't try to second guess me.

Maizie d

What did you think should be on the ballot paper .

A. Do you want to stay in the EU and nobody will turn against you.?

B Do you want to leave the EU and be boycotted in all aspects of life.?

It's not a question to be asked on a ballot paper is it!

It's a reaction to the outcome and I would hope not shared by many other European citizens outside of granjuras many associates, friends and family she clearly has and regularly posts on having such a wide, diverse , intellectual social network.

All I can say is if you agree with that sort of thinking you will behave in the same way to any country that dares to leave the EU . Catalonians no doubt felt this animosity too for daring to want to gain Independence.

Sums up the relationship for any country who dares to use a Democratic vote to want the chance of Independence/Sovereignty I guess.

I didn't see that choice on the ballot paper, POGS.

jura 2

" So yes, my French friends, neighbours and students, are really annoyed and would be quite happy to boycott the UK, as tourists, consumers, investors, utilities providors, and so on."
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Sums up the relationship for any country who dares to use a Democratic vote to want the chance of Independence/Sovereignty I guess. I would like to think if Scotland chose to leave the UK the other 3 nations didn't sit at home saying they would boycott anything Scottish.

Is this the link Jalima? It’s about registering your interest in developments for EU citizens living in the UK.
gov.smartwebportal.co.uk/homeoffice/public/webform.asp?id=67&id2=627DF7

jura My new passport has 'European Union' stamped on the front of it.

I infer from that that I am a citizen of the EU and that you are also a citizen of the EU through your British citizenship and not through being Swiss.

Someone posted a link on another thread about maintaining EU citizenship post-Brexit which I didn't have time to follow up - can anyone remember where it is please?

But I must admit I am not in regular contact with your French students or neighbours
I am not, however, in regular contact with your French students or neighbours^ jura, as I don't know them.

As petra said so succinctly:
I thought I was in regular contact with eu citizens. If I'm wrong that means my friends/family/ neighbours are Optical illusions

ps - I have friends and relatives living on Continental Europe (I forgot to include Germany and Italy) but I don't live there myself.

We discussed this, too, when we visited Australia last year - many people, even strangers, seemed to be interested and, of course, so many people there have family still living in Continental Europe.

I think this is what Jalima said in response to your (mis) apprehension that she could possibly have had contact with anybody outside what you clearly perceive as the U.K. bubble.
Actually jura, yes, as our relatives live in Croatia, France and Spain, they haven't said anything yet ....

Jalima, my apologies, hd no idea you lived on Continental EU. However, your statement that neither of your family, friends or neighbours, have not discussed or mentionned Brexit, is tbh, totally incrdible.

Unless, as we do with some family and people we know, it has become a taboo they know they can’t discuss with you... for fear of consequences.

Your post has left me completely flummoxed, jura - I have no idea what you are talking about as I never said any of the above.

Why should discussing Brexit be a taboo with my relatives, friends and neighbours? Although I must admit that, as someone who voted Remain, I am often outnumbered by the very intelligent, well-educated, high-achieving and articulate Brexiters amongst my neighbours.

Is continental Europe the only Europe?
This is a mystifying post, Jura 2

They really have to come to terms with what lemongrove, that they live in a. orrupt country where elections nd referendums are not only run on massive lies, and are proven to have been so fraudulently? If that is the kind of ‘take back control’ you would like, I truly can’t blame mums whose lives will be the most affected, and that of their children, to refuse to come to terms with it. I won’t either.

Jalima, my apologies, hd no idea you lived on Continental EU. However, your statement that neither of your family, friends or neighbours, have not discussed or mentionned Brexit, is tbh, totally incrdible.

Unless, as we do with some family and people we know, it has become a taboo they know they can’t discuss with you... for fear of consequences.

Then they really need to come to terms with it.

If you'd been following the Westminstenders threads for the past, two years as I have, you wil find that many of the intelligent, highly skilled and working contributors to the threads have 'come to terms' with it. They have taken, or are planning to take, their skills, expertise and contributions to the UK treasury, by way of the taxes on their good incomes and their purchases, off to EU countries to work and live in.

These are the people whose taxes are providing our state pensions and any related benefits, BTW.

I love the link Varian.
Yes "no deal" should mean Remain not cliff edge.

I agree with their verdict -omnishambles

I have three intelligent women and their equally intelligent men all with successful and high powered careers involving working in and with the EU but also Japan and China in my own family.
I do know what they and others are thinking.. and worry with them about the consequences of the current omnishambles.

I normally agree with you Maw, but not on this point. Mumsnetters are on the whole intelligent women, many of whom do have knowledge and experience of the economy, business and other aspects of our political shenanigans.

You might be surprised to learn about their careers and responsibilities. I think they represent a thoughtful, well informed section of British society, concerned for their children's future, and the future of our country and their views should be heard.

But shortbread is good too Maw ....as long as you can stick to one or two ( impossible!)

Oh must be the heat, “short thread” !