Likely consequenses of brexit

I can’t quitebring myself yo read even a shortbthread on Mumsnet, preferring to get my facts from people who know about the economy, business and other aspects of our political shenanigans.
Sorry, that sounds more dismissive than I meant it to be, but judging by twitter and Facebook there are a lot of people out there with plenty of opinions but very little knowledge.

Then they really need to come to terms with it.

As most of us Grannies are also Mums we should try to keep in touch with the opinions of younger Mums on Mumsnet. It is really worth reading this long thread on brexit.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3289666-Westministers-Operation-Over-The-Cliff?pg=38

You will see very little support for any kind of brexit on Mumsnet.

We are still a democracy and we have Laws so it is still likely Brexit will not happen. The Electoral Commission found the Leave campaign illegal and that in Law means the Vote was also illegal. It is clear we lose both democracy and laws after brexit and very fast after we exit too. It was based on industrial strength lies. Women's rights are high on the list of being struck off by Theresa May , they cost employers a great deal . We have to listen carefully to the words of the politicians and not the propaganda words of pressure groups who want to make this country into a tax haven. If it happens there will be no money for public services, NHS, utilities, green issues, all that is propaganda. Whoever is in government will not be able to raise enough revenue to run the country. Thousands of jobs are already disappearing, shopping precincts closing down because people do not have money. The rich will take their (and our) money abroad to invest for themselves. Like other countries in trouble because of the greedy far right our Government will have to use peoples savings, pensions and trusts to plug holes that used to be raised through taxes. We have come full circle, from the poor man of Europe to a thriving and fair economy and now heading back to one of the poorest countries in the Western world. Through an advisory referendum which was highjacked by Theresa May to her own little dictatorship.

I thought I was in regular contact with eu citizens. If I'm wrong that means my friends/family/ neighbours are Optical illusions

and yes, I do live in the EU, as do my relatives and friends

jura2 Wed 04-Jul-18 16:42:16
oh Jalima... you are obviously not in regular contact with EU citizens, TV and Press ... or my French students or neighbours ??? (I live less than 500 m from France, metres not miles

I rest my case.

never said it is unique, ever.

You assume others do not or are not in contact with family and friends in EU member countries.
There’s more than just France.
As I said the insight you claim may not be unique.

did I mention xenophobic bumpkins?

Brexit has cost huge sums of money, time and energy...which could have been spent so much better. And the security measures, especially in ports, and in Calais, have cost massive sums, and 10s of 1000s of hours for police and CRS, highly skilled special troops, which again would have been so much better in French towns under pressure. It had caused huge uncertainties for jobs, agriculture including wine regions, research, and so much more.
So yes, my French friends, neighbours and students, are really annoyed and would be quite happy to boycott the UK, as tourists, consumers, investors, utilities providors, and so on. It makes sense that anyone in daily contact, and who reads French papers and watch French TV... is more aware of the mood, than those who are not. No arrogance, just plain common sense.

I think it is arrogant to assume that one somehow has unique insider knowledge only if one lives 500 metres from an EU member country.
The rest of us are not xenophobic bumpkins you know.
Of course as things stand those of us in the UK do in fact still live IN an EU member country.

well yes, the rightful heir died recently in Australia
I strongly support the rightful Plantagenet heirs.
It would have been refreshing to have had a Queen Noelene

oh Jalima... you are obviously not in regular contact with EU citizens
Actually jura, yes, as our relatives live in Croatia, France and Spain, they haven't said anything yet ....

But I must admit I am not in regular contact with your French students or neighbours

oh Jalima... you are obviously not in regular contact with EU citizens, TV and Press ... or my French students or neighbours ??? (I live less than 500 m from France, metres not miles)
OMG jura - surely you don't think they'll be going to war against us post-Brexit?

Is that the Royal We or you and me?

we agree

Bored already.
Irrelevant.
Is that the best argument you can come up with?

Standard of debate slipping I fear.

well yes, the rightful heir died recently in Australia, a staunch republican sheep farmer, Habney Hastings ... his children are not interested either.

But of Royal descent, Dany said it so well on TV, for so many of us, twice...re Cameron.

MawBroon
Now i can't get 'I'm Spartacus' out of my head

www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/tutorials/miscellaneous/are-you-descended-royalty
Another link FYI
The 13 monarchs who reigned between 1066 and 1485 fathered at least 40 bastards between them. Henry II leads the field with around 20. Descendants of Edward III, legitimate or otherwise, are believed to be in excess of 4 millions. Some experts believe that practically everyone alive with British ancestry will have a connection with this king

This descent from Royalty is a bit of an urban myth.
If you check with genealogical sources they come up with the following

Conclusion: there is an extremely high probabilty that a modern English person with predominantly English ancestry descends from Edward III, at a very minimum over 99%, and more likely very close to 100%. The number of descendants of Edward III must therefore include nearly all of the population of England, and probably much of the populations of the rest of the UK and Eire, as well as many millions in the USA, former British colonies and Europe, so 100 million seems a conservative estimate. Documenting one's own descent from Edward III is, however, another matter
So time perhaps for a [tongue in cheek] ? emoticon.

On Cameron, setting fire to th fireworks and running away... Dany Dyer could not have said it better the other day... Again, I’ll add an ‘s’ ... Farage, BoJo, Gove, Rees Mogg, the lot of them. And as the descendant of Edward III he has more noble British blood than the lot of them.

Ohh !I just blame Nigel Farage for everything . Couldn’t stand his stir everyone up,then cut& run ,whilst continuing to receive his salary from those he wishes us to be rid of .

Notsure I understand that Bridgeit

Ohh Nigel what did you do ?! ?