Likely consequenses of brexit

jura your melodramatic posts are the stuff of legend.
Do you really expect anyone who voted to leave the EU ( since we were given the choice by the government) to have had to factor into that choice, that there may be problems ahead for any UK citizen who had lived in France for the last 20 years!

That ‘story’ is for the French government to sort out.

When caused by the U.K. Govt?

When caused by the U.K. Govt?
I don't understand.

A family from the Channel Islands lives in France for years, do not register as a tax payers (why) and come back to the UK for health treatment, then blames the UK Government when they want to obtain French citizenship - and have in fact left it until the last minute to do something about this when they have known about this for two years?

Have I missed something? Or not followed the rather involved story?

I think that the French Government is treating this family very badly but I do not think the blame can be laid at the feet of the UK Government.

They are also quite unusual in their needs so perhaps that is why everything is taking so much longer and the French bureaucracy is dragging its heels.

Have you actually read the story*Jalima*?

I wonder if Jura who knows this person and presumably more about her circumstances would want to fill us in on more?
I have indeed read the post along with your explanation of how the system works and am still unclear as to how the UK government can be entirely held to account. If you choose to go and work in or retire to another country a choice has been made. Just as investments can go up or down, there will be pluses and minuses. As I understand it the two AC are already over the age where they benefit from their mother’s UK nationality. My DD’s BIL has been working in Germany for about 15 years in a permanent capacity and has now acquired German citizenship. It’s called being pragmatic.
I appreciate the slowness of French bureaucracy is playing its part in this case, but that is not the fault of the UK government.
Of course Brexit is likely to have/is having profound effects on UK citizens living in the EU, but just as the UK has stated that EU citizens currently resident and working in the UK will not be affected, it is down to the French government to make the equivalent position clear.
However, to discuss a third party without detailed knowledge is a bit like those teenage problem page letters which start “my friend...”
So yes it is a consequence of Brexit as are countless other scenarios.
Not heartless, at all. But other than to sympathise, what I wonder did Jura expect any of us to do.

Have you actually read the story*Jalima*?
Yes Welshwife

I would have to bullet point it like a report to make any sense of it.

story
If this is how this woman is approaching the French bureaucrats with her applications then no wonder it is taking so long.

I don't understand this bit:
"I have 3 children now 27, 21 and 19 who have lived here for the same period with full benefits under cover of my UK nationality. "
What full benefits?
Does this mean that she, the mother, has her health costs paid for by the UK Health Service?
We had that but it was only because we were over retirement age.
Other points are very vague and confused.

I have no idea how being an original resident of Jersey might change the rights etc that she has. It all sounds very unfortunate for her and the family

I've looked it up - Jersey and Guernsey are NOT a part of the EU. So might not have any 'rights' in France.
Very unfortunate as you say Welshwife

So if they are not part of the EU how does the poster’s status change when the U.K. leaves the EU?

Welshwife did you read my post of Sat 18-Aug-18 17:37:46 - before you jumpt to conclusions that I had not read the story about this family?

Fennel I am glad that I'm not the only one who finds the whole story vague and confused. It gives rise to a lot of questions.

Islander status means that you do not have the automatic right to live or work in Europe.
You may, however, live and work in the UK without restriction.

I had to dash off without completing the post.

I am surprised that someone who has brought up three children in France from when they were tiny and they are effectively French. French is their first language, they have French culture, know French history and know little of anything British. But they are British. But were born in Jersey and are not, therefore,, EU citizens and at 21 fall out of the cover of my EU citizenship did not apply for them to have French citizenship many years ago.

They may be British through their Channel Island birth - but Jersey, as stated above, has 'special status' and is not a member of the EU. They have grown to adulthood (which is surely at 18, not 21) therefore this mother/grandmother presumably knew all this and did nothing over the 20 years to regularise their status in France.
French citizens are entitled to hold dual or multiple citizenships and have been for several decades. In addition, France denounced a Council of Europe proposal that attempted to reduce cases of multiple nationalities

Since the British Nationality Act of 1948, the UK does not restrict its citizens from having other nationalities.
As they are British but effectively French, they could have had dual nationality all those years.

Excuse the copying and pasting, but it would have been more confusing to have inserted links.

Well summed up Jalima perhaps Jura would care to comment?
It seems that the melodramatic appeal for sympathy omitted the more pragmatic application of common sense.

You do hear about stories like this which are so full of discrepancies that they would not stand up to forensic examination, especially online. Occasionally the person would then be posting that they do not have the funds to proceed and are in despair and well-meaning, kind-hearted souls donate money 'all in a good cause'.
I do hope that this is not the case here.

Much as I hate referenda the 2016 one was so badly run and so toxic that the public is owed a second chance hopefully in the cold light of day. Brexit has poisoned society and that cannot be undone, if it goes ahead as it probably will we will all be the poorer. The only chance we have is to push for a People's Vote and hope that sanity prevails. So if you have already done so write to your MP and push him/her to press for a properly run people's vote.

I despair at the lack of leadership from both Tory and Labour parties. No clear direction except "Leave means Leave" and that is the wrong direction.

Cindersdad
Leave means Leave" and that is the wrong direction
To you maybe, but there are others who think the alternative is the wrong direction. Foresight is needed.

Foresight can be guided by the good advice of experts - leaders of industry, trade unions, the professions, civil service, academics, constitutional lawyers, international traders, scientists, security experts and others, all of whom advise us that any kind of brexit would badly damage the UK for many generations and a "no deal" brexit would be utterly catastrophic.

I do not believe in crystal balls, any more than I believe in unicorns and "sunny uplands" promised by the lying brexiteers. I believe in heeding the advice of experts.

Government papers on the impact of a "no-deal" Brexit have raised fears for shoppers, farmers, businesses, NHS patients and UK expats. Ministers released the first batch in a series of "technical notices" on the UK's possible departure from the EU without a divorce agreement.

Covering areas such as finance, medicines and trade, Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab declared the documents explain how the UK will "mitigate" the consequences of a no-deal exit. Mr Raab insisted the government's preparations mean Britain's "best days lie ahead", whether negotiations with Brussels successfully reach a deal or not.

news.sky.com/story/govt-lays-bare-consequences-of-no-deal-to-uk-11480134

Who in their right mind, if they had been warned of this before to referendum would ever have voted leave?

As this disaster looms ever nearer, and we get reports of pharmacists being told to stockpile medicines, and the rest of us to expect hikes in food prices, I note the fervent supporters are going a bit quieter, both in the political world and on GN. Surely, even if you believe the lies promises of halcyon days when we 'take back control', surely you must be worried? I bloody am and I didn't vote for it

Mr Raab insisted the government's preparations mean Britain's "best days lie ahead

But Leavers are continually telling us that no-one can predict the future. How can he be so confident of this?

Alternatively, does anyone really believe this rubbish?

And what was wrong with the last 45 years?

GillT57
I can only speak for myself but the reason I rarely post on the Brexit threads now is because it's just so booooring.
And I can honestly say, hand on heart and swear to everything I hold dear that I'm not worried one little jot about the future outside the eu.
Please note I say 'outside the eu' not Europe. We will still be visiting Spain next year and driving to Bulgaria.

but the reason I rarely post on the Brexit threads now is because it's just so booooring

Don't you find going round in ever decreasing circles absolutely riveting petra?


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