Likely consequenses of brexit

varian Sat. 06.08
Well spotted !

Ha, light dawns petra

... though 'The Rock' would be great if you ever fancied a new career as a boxer

Will you be allowed to keep it after Brexit, Petra?
(I am joking, I promise )

MamaCaz
Not too foreign or French for me, my surname is La Roche.

^Précis? Isn’t that a bit foreign for some posters?
Didn't we all have to précis ad nauseam at school?

Ooh, sorry another foreign phrase!

Just ? joking!
But maybe writing concisely is a bit difficult for some?

Précis? Isn’t that a bit foreign for some posters?

And isn’t that (more than) a bit patronising?
And irrelevant as it is a valid English expression.
Perhaps you think after Brexit we will no longer say
cul de sac, ménage à trois, Avenue, menu, hors d’oeuvre, RSVP, dessert or Brussels sprouts?

Unless you mean that it is too 'European' for some because of its French origins

I hope not - they will find it in any English dictionary if necessary, anyway.

Précis? Isn’t that a bit foreign for some posters?

I for one would find it very helpful if you were to give us a precis of that, Allygran1.

^

RT? Russia Today?

I'm gobsmacked. Why on earth would they be trying to cast doubts on the bona fides of a pro EU movement, I wonder?

Wbo funds RT?

www.rt.com/uk/430327-ofoc-brexit-donor-funding/
Cut and Paste:
“OFOC is one of a plethora of pro-remain groups that have been set up during or after the EU Referendum in 2016. The group registered the organisation to companies house in February this year and soon after raised £12,762 through crowdfunding in March.
The group’s homepage admits that “OFOC is powered by: Best for Britain, Open Britain, The European Movement, and the GCG [Grassroots Co-ordination Group]”, all large established pro-Remain groups, predominantly funded by Tory, Liberal and former Labour donors. The GCG is chaired by Chuka Umunna MP, a known Corbyn-critic.
They share office space with six anti-Brexit groups; Best for Britain, Open Britain, European Movement, Britain for Europe, Scientists for EU, Healthier IN and InFacts that have been brought together by Umunna’s GCG”.
Latest Soros bid to reverse EU referendum enrages Brexiteers
Best For Britain (BfB), a campaign launched by Gina Miller last year, is the best funded organisation with a staggering £2.4m ($3.1m) in funding, £500k ($660k) of which coming from billionaire philanthropist George Soros, according to the Guardian. They are looking for a further £3.2m ($4.2m) according to Paul Butters, BfB’s director of communications and former spokesperson to Ex- Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron.
According to Red Robin, the Scottish left wing blog BfB spent £353,118 ($465k) between June 2016 and June 2017, backed several candidates against Labour candidates in the 2017 General Election, including the Liberal Democrat’s Tom Brake and Ed Davey.
Although BfB claims much of its funding comes from small donors, significant sums have been given to the group by Virgin billionaire Sir Richard Branson (£25k, $33k), Liberal Democrat Anatole Kaletsky (£20k, $26k), and Tory donor Stephen Peel who told the Observer he was giving the anti-Brexit group £100k ($131k) because it was “the most important political issue of a generation and one about which I deeply care”.
The European Movement meanwhile is predominantly funded by former Progress donor, Lord David Sainsbury, who has recently stated he would not be funding political groups anymore, to turn his attentions charitable causes.
RT has reached out for comment from OFOC as to what their connections are to the larger, well funded groups - does “powered by” simply mean supported or financially backed? Certain administrative support would have to be declared to the electoral commission in the event of another referendum. At the time of writing OFOC had not responded to our email.
www.rt.com/uk/430327-ofoc-brexit-donor-funding/

The Guardian article makes these activist sound like a group of student labour members. In fact they are Momentum members and actively are campaigning against Brexit and against the Labour party, they purport to belong to. They are a registered Ltd Company and this is the second Ltd Company, the first one started by OLUWOLE, Olufemi Oluseun Matthew when he was the only Director owing 75% of the business now closed and formed into the present OFOC.
Companies House Information:
Registered office address
71-75 Shelton Street, Covent Garden, London, England, WC2H 9JQ
Company status
Active
Company type
Private company limited by guarantee without share capital
Incorporated on
19 February 2018
Accounts
First accounts made up to 28 February 2019
due by 19 November 2019
Confirmation statement
First statement date 18 February 2019
due by 4 March 2019
Nature of business (SIC)
•94920 - Activities of political organisations

Mrs Lara Spirit ACTIVE
Correspondence address
41 Donnington Bridge Road, Oxford, United Kingdom, OX4 4AZ
Notified on
19 February 2018
Date of birth
December 1996
Nationality
British
Nature of control
Ownership of voting rights - More than 25% but not more than 50%
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Mr Will Dry ACTIVE
Correspondence address
41 Donnington Bridge Road, Oxford, United Kingdom, OX4 4AZ
Notified on
19 February 2018
Date of birth
January 1998
Nationality
British
Nature of control
Ownership of voting rights - More than 25% but not more than 50%
Country of residence
United Kingdom

Directors & Secretaries
For a full in-depth analysis on each of these directors, click any of the links below
NameRoleDate Of BirthAppointedResigned
MRS LARA SPIRIT
Company Secretary-19 Feb 2018-
MRS LARA SPIRIT
DirectorDec 199619 Feb 2018-
MR WILL DRY
DirectorJan 199819 Feb 2018-
MR FEMI OLUWOLE
DirectorMar 199019 Feb 2018-
MR CALUM MILLBANK-MURPHY
DirectorMay 199219 Feb 2018-

This was the original Company: Our future; Our Choice Ltd Company number 11094494

OLUWOLE, Olufemi Oluseun Matthew
Correspondence address
15 Samsara Road, Bromsgrove, United Kingdom, B60 2TQ
Role ACTIVE
Director
Date of birth
March 1990
Appointed on
4 December 2017
Nationality
British
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Occupation
Human Rights Advocacy Trainee
75% voting rights

So not so grassroots after all!

A group of young pro-European Labour members have stepped up their attack on Labour MPs who support the party’s ambivalent Brexit stance by unveiling posters and advertising vans accusing them of betraying the young.

The ads are targeted at three shadow cabinet members, and at a shadow minister who had supported a further referendum but has since silenced herself after a warning by the Labour whips. The ads are the most personalised attacks so far from the campaign for a further referendum.

The four ads were devised by young Labour members in a group called Our Future Our Choice and financed at a cost of £5,000 from crowdfunding. The ads are going up in the MPs’ constituencies from Monday. They challenge the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, the shadow home secretary, Diane Abbott, and the shadow defence secretary, Nia Griffith, to support remain.

In one advertisement, McDonnell is pictured in the breast pocket of Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, an arch-Eurosceptic, with the slogan: “Found in Jacob’s pocket: Phone. Wallet. John McDonnell.” A similar image is used for Griffith, but this time she is shown in the pocket of Nigel Farage, with the appeal: “Nia, Don’t let him get his way.” The ad being shown in Abbott’s Hackney constituency reads: “Brexit too big to ignore – back the People’s Vote.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/18/pro-remain-adverts-target-labour-mps-constituencies-john-mcdonnell-diane-abbott

I think you’re right Jalima, it must have been at the back of the accountants minds. But in the long run probably not a saving as those who would have gone to join sons and daughters in say Australia have stayed here, kept their full pensions and needed extra care.

That list doesn't seem to include most of the countries where UK pensioners might live, eg Spain.
That's because the list is of countries in addition to the EEA, Gibraltar and Switzerland, varian

which is the whole point of the discussion.

It is strange, isn't it NfkD, that these are countries which are/were closest to us. Perhaps it's because so many people wish to emigrate to those countries and not so many from there retire to the UK so it would be unaffordable.

I believe there has never been any reciprocal arrangement for pensions with Australia or Canada, which seems strange considering how close these countries were/are to us. I don’t know about New Zealand but suspect they’re the same. My aunt and uncle were among the last £10 poms so emigrated in time to build new lives and new pensions and rights. My uncle died last year still receiving the same state pension he would have been entitled to in, I think, 1981 when they went out.

It’s very restrictive for parents who want to retire and join their families who’ve emigrated.

varian - I share your views on the likely outcome of Brexit, that is nothing positive.

If a vote of no confidence led to an election, it's likely it would be in effect another referendum. The splits within the Conservative party fill our news media every day. The splits within LP less so but an election would expose them. No doubt, a major question would be which of the two major parties have betrayed Leave voters to a greater extent.

As for the impact on fairly wealthy expats who retired to Switzerland, or the EU, without wishing to sound unsympathetic, people with resources, sound educational backgrounds and good support networks are in a less desperate situation than so many others in relation to the impact of Brexit.

That list doesn't seem to include most of the countries where UK pensioners might live, eg Spain.

Yes, I think the EU has to 'play ball' too lemongrove.

We have a reciprocal arrangement with the countries in the EEA, Gibraltar and Switzerland as you know.
We also have an arrangement with the following countries where people should receive increments on their pensions etc:
Barbados
Bermuda
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Jersey
Guernsey
the Isle of Man
Israel
Jamaica
Kosovo
Macedonia
Mauritius
Montenegro
the Philippines
Serbia
Turkey
USA

jura You say ‘ have the rug pulled’ etc etc but that is up to the EU countries then, how British ex pats will be treated abroad.The government have assured all EU citizens here that they will keep their rights.