Trump Blimp

If someone wants to pay for a blimp of Khan or Corbyn then they should go ahead and raise £18,000 for it. Why not. If Khan had said no to a pro Brexit demo or whatever there would be howls of protest that he was politically biased. The Mayors office just has to say whether this or that protest is legal or not, not that they agree with it.

notanan they may not be bad people, but they have made bad choices, There are many Americans who dislike the policies being put in place and those are the people I identify with. .

IMO the way to "get at" Trump is to not do what he wants us to do. He will love the blimp. Not the blimp itself of course, but what it says about us. What he will say we are saying to his supporters.

The heart of Trump is his followers. The more bridges burnt with them, the less likely his support is to weaken.

the blimp is also indicative of our time. Its not just the blimp. Rather than think "how can we come together and fix this" the public prefer to lash out with low blows.

Social media is judge jury and executioner and people are more interested in being "in" with their own faction than they are in being constructive and building bridges & healing wounds.

I don't mean with Trump as an individual. But with his supporters. Its convenient to think of them all as bad people not worthy of a voice but they're not. Its like Brexit: lets not listen to each other as its easier to label each other as idiots who are wrong about everything.

I've given you some of my involvement in human rights notanan. perhaps you would like to enlighten the rest of us about what you are doing to further human rights in the UK or the US, in fact anywhere.
It's an artistic statement about a US President. It will be seen by many. It is a protest (a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.). It's funny, it's irreverent, it's different. There will be many other protests and this is just a small part of the anti -Trump movement.

Honestly - you've rather got this blimp thing just a teeny weeny bit out of proportion.

If the blimp was of, say, Jeremy Corbyn or Sadiq Khan, for example; would that be considered acceptable? And would the howls of protest be considered justified or a teeny weeny bit out of proportion?

I think I probably know more about UK human rights than you do.

wow trisher now who is making assumptions?

I maintain that the UK, and the USA for that matter INCLUDING pre trump, are NOT internationally reviled as a barometer of human rights by anyone other than themselves!

Its a mutual back patting exercise for those involved "oh aren't we witty and clever" but its an ill thought out own goal.

It challenges nothing. What's the end goal here? Will trump supporters hear about it and think twice? No of course not! they'll think "well look, DT was right when we said that London has descended into a mad mad style lawless dystopian wasteland... lets not be like them, go Trump!"

Its not smart. And its not a protest. Protests expose/highlight truths or aim to stop or block a specific injustice. I cannot see how it qualifies as either. Its just self congratuling & embarrassing.

Am just contributing to the thread Marye ( said mildly)
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He’ll see the media coverage.As for flying the blimp making us as bad as Trump what a truly ridiculous to post. Honestly - you've rather got this blimp thing just a teeny weeny bit out of proportion.

It’s crass and juvenile trisher.....do we want to be the same as Trump?
Other European countries didn’t do this when he visited.
Not that it matters in the end, as he won’t see it, his itinerary takes him elsewhere.
So, pointless as well as crass.

notanan2 having been instrumental in the UN charter for the Rights of the Child being adopted by at least 2 bodies I have contact with and having taken part in many activities to do with the protection of human rights both here and internationally I think I probably know more about UK human rights than you do. And no things are not ideal here.

maddyone As for this idea that because he spoke against it families are now OK. They very much are not. Huge problems remain.
One Guatemalan woman called Lesvia, who got out of a detention center in Texas on Thursday, told CNN's Miguel Marquez on Friday that she received no answers about the whereabouts of her 10-year-old son, who she last saw on May 19.
"Just give me my son," she said, sobbing.
The administration has yet to tell Americans exactly how many kids are still in custody, how long they will remain split from their parents and when this grim chapter of modern political history will end.
Go Trump Blimp.

The comparisons with private eye & spitting image don't apply. They satirize everyone, and spitting image in particular was us taking the mick out of OURSELVES primarily

Not singling out and bullying a visiting politician.

Yes he is a bully. Is BECOMING a bully ourselves really the way to address a bully??

Besides, Trump is a figure head who DOES represent a lot of popular views which actually are not uncommon in his country. Poking the bear will achieve nothing other than strengthening their resolve.

I think its "fun" to join the blimp fund raising gang, its like joining a school yard joke with someone unpopular as the butt of the joke. It is NOT constructive and does nothing to challenge the populist views that Trump represents. It does the opposite. It feeds into it.

The people supporting the blimp are making the issue they CLAIM to care about worse...but hey...they have each other to egg them on.

Notanan, good post.

I don’t like the blimps, of Trump or Khan. Childish and offensive IMHO.

‘Trump has......separated children from families.’

That has been stopped according to the news I heard. The footage shown of a young child desperately crying for it’s parents was apparently filmed in 2014. Who was president then?

I guess it addresses the immaturity of DT, who gets portrayed as a petulant child in many cartoons, people may think its an immature way of saying it but each to their own. I guess if you don't like political cartoons, Private Eye etc you won't like this much. I don't like the idea of driving a huge bus around with racist adverts on but this was allowed.

the blimp doesn't "speak out" about anything other than our own immaturity. What issue does it address exactly.

And the argument that USA & UK were EVER international barometers if human rights is deeply flawed.

Speak out! but have a point & an aim!

The argument that we shouldn’t speak out about x unless we also speak out about y and z is ridiculous. There’s nothing preventing anyone from speaking out about what they want to. If you feel strongly about anything then set up your own protest don’t just complain about a group that is protesting in this way. It’s less disruptive than those Heathrow protesters who hold up the traffic for hours. It’s not my cup of builders but I think if it’s ok with the police etc then go ahead.

notanan2 You have no idea what other activities I am involved in as far as human rights goes so a rather silly remark.

If you think the UK is viewed positively re human rights by the international community then sorry but by default you cannot be very worldly wise.

POGS your twisting words is so predictable
If there are no countries where human rights are respected then there are no standards to set an example. If you can say look at X country they understand the concept it is at least a start. But if that country then abandons the standard you have to begin again. Something I'm sure you will agree is unacceptable and difficult to do.
And I do and have protested against the abuse of human rights in other parts of the world and have often been castigated on GN by those who do not recognise the abuse of human rights in any form, particularly when it is a regime they have support or sympathy for.

Not only is snowflakery alive and kicking today but so is whataboutery. All that is needed for a full house is accusations of virtue signalling and champagne socialism and we can shout bingo. Never mind the match isn’t far away

notanan2 You have no idea what other activities I am involved in as far as human rights goes so a rather silly remark.
Trump has withdrawn the US from the UN council on Human rights. Seperated children from families, opened a US embassy in Jerusalem and is systematically destroying the US reputation for fairness and equality. Protesting by flying a Trump Blimp is the least we can do. It harms no one but sends signals to millions.

trisher

" We as a country base our reputation on standing up for human rights, fighting for the under dog, preserving freedom and speaking out against those who threaten to destroy these concepts. "

Then why not for ALL not just for one man . Lord knows there are plenty of countries that fall into that bracket.
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" It is no use protesting about human rights in the rest of the world, whilst watching the systematic destruction of them in a country which has always held them at the heart of its existance, but no longer does."

Ah. So protesting against human rights is a waste of time when it comes to countries who have already broken human rights , violated human rights through mass imprisonment and slaughter but we might make a difference by nipping it in the bud when it comes to the evil USA and Trump.

Again a pity that never happened to the likes of Assad , Nicolas Modurro , Aung San Suu Kyi , I still don't understand the silence by some who feted these people.

POGS what’s the Lord Mayor got to do with any of this?
notanan I’m clever enough to be able to care simultaneously about human rights abuses in several countries. Sorry if you can’t.

look a bit closer to home if human rights concern you.

The blimp doesn't send any sort of message about human rights, its just childish