Another one bites the dust - Davis resigns

The one thing standing between the British people and a way out of the shambles in which they find themselves is a misunderstanding of democracy. The exit from Brexit is by way of a second popular vote – anything less would pollute British politics for at least a generation with the toxic taint of betrayal.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-there-is-nothing-undemocratic-about-voting-again-on-brexit-1.3561594?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-there-is-nothing-undemocratic-about-voting-again-on-brexit-1.3561594

I agree crystaltipps. The problem is that we have brexit supporters who are not willing to believe any objective facts.

If it doesn't suit their agenda it will be dismissed as fake news.

The Brexit Mafiosi of Banks, Farage, Johnson et al are quite happy to push this country into bankcrupcy so they can feather their own nests come deregulation. They aren’t interested in the have nots. No wonder they don’t support May’s Chequers proposal which is effectively Brexit in name only.

The "mafia" we should be worried about are the shady criminals who manipulated our EU referendum and Trump's election.

EU mafia - well at least we were there, at the heart of the matter - and able to influence.

Do you really think that the USA, Russian and Chinese maffias will be more comfortable 'partners' - well we won't be partners, we are in no position to compete, really- so we will truly be vassals-Take any deal, at any price - to survive.

Pollution, environment, workers rights, human rights, our NHS and social services, our utilities (well the little bit we still own), army, nuclear bases, transport incl. airports - are u ready to lose them all for so called deals?

Hormone and soya beef à la antibiotics, and yes .... chlorinated, pesticide filled chickens...

What you actually mean Varian is to give in to the EU Mafia, it shouldn't need to be stopped because they are acting like thuggish minders.Any country should be allowed to leave with some grace, should the populace of that country decide they want to go, yes, expect negotiations but not the sarcasm, nasty asides to journalists and generally dismissive attitude to the UK.They were like this even before we decided to leave, look at how Cameron was
Treated by them.

Brexit can and could be stopped. Why, when we can clearly see how damaging any type of brexit could be, should we not have the opportunity to think again and say NO - we do not want to inflict that harm on our country, our children and grand children?

www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/brexit-stop-theresa-may-protest-peoples-vote-eu-uk-nhs-a8410431.html

We are leaving the EU varian and any anger and frustration you have regarding the small majority who voted for Brexit would be better aimed at the 28% of eligible voters who couldn't be bothered to vote.
Well said Smileless - I agree and these are the lazy voters whom I find most annoying.

Posters keep talking about the future of the younger generations - but they were the ones suffering from inertia at the time of the referendum.

Lets look on the bright side.
Perhaps one day, even if not in our lifetimes, a truthful politician will emerge.

Billionaire? endre really? Is this from the BJ book of facts?

It was fine for billionaire Tony Benn to be against going into the Common Market and the luxury of his extreme left views did split the Labour Party (remember the SDP?) Most working class Britain wanted to get a share of the growing economy in the EU, the freedom of movement, higher salaries, cheaper holidays, better Laws to protect us in work, holiday pay, protection during maternity, abuse laws, pension laws .

But more importantly TAX laws. Too many are getting away with not paying their full amount due. We rely on this revenue to keep the country running, NHS, education, police, infrastructure, keeping us a great country by looking after our most vulnerable. Civilised. It is a vital part of our democracy, the richest contributing more towards the part of the economy that is weakest. That area grows and far more are able to contribute tax.

But some became greedy. They saw that rich people in Greece didn't pay tax, they wanted to hide their profits abroad or spend it in ways which we now know is destroying the fabric of Britain. Buy to rent property. We are a small island and with over 11 billion landlords (many who rely on govt benefits from tenants to keep paying their mortgages and rising rents we have a serious imbalance on welfare distribution. They will try all the tricks to avoid paying all the tax owed, Like Greece

Greece collapsed, the Government had to use peoples savings, pensions and trusts to try and run the country. The billionaires were still there, they could see what their greed had done to their country. We are going to be in that position very soon.

Next January 1st there is a new EU law that makes it a CRIME not to pay full tax. That is why the Rees Moggs, Farages, IDSes are frantic to get out of the EU. They make a phenomenal amount of money and if they want the pleasure of living in Britain they should be paying the correct tax. Not deciding for themselves how much they contribute. Our NHS should never have a funding problem, we are a wealthy country but some greedy people are hiding and keeping that is owed to us.

So on January 2nd 2019 when we should still be in the EU it will be a prisonable crime not to pay full tax. That is the reason for Brexit.

Not Gove - lord above ,anything but that!

DUP ....Iam

Well said smileless there were certainly so many who never bothered to vote.

I think Boris may be out of the running now for PM, and cannot see JRM in that role either.Gove possibly but doubtful.I think that T May will be carrying on for a while yet and certainly seems to have staying power.

I agree varian but, I can't see a 2nd referendum being held. Theresa May has shown real staying power in the face of her back stabbing, duplicitous colleagues. What an absolute farce.

Cameron arranged a referendum in the hope it will finally shut up the right wing trouble makers in his party. Theresa calls an election for the same reasons and in the hope of ruling out another Labour government in my life time. That backfires spectacularly. She can only stay in power with the support of the DWP, no one in England,Scotland or Wales voted (or I'm sure would vote for) that shower.

The politics and media reporting is focussed on Brexit. Meanwhile, the health and all other public services are being dismantled, destroyed and privatised. If there was to be a vote of no confidence in TM, would that lead to an election or simply a change in leadership. Brown assumed the role of PM without the country voting for him so the precedence is there. We could end up with someone much worse than TM, Boris, Reece Mogg or the worst of the lot, the creepy Govester.

We have so much to lose and nothing at all to gain from brexit.

But if we wre to leave and then went back in we would not have our rebate and would have to be in the Schengsn area and in the euro. We could never hope to regain our present advantageous position.

The irony of the whole situation may be when future generations of citizens of the UK hark back to the 'good old days' when Britain was the fifth wealthiest nation in the world as a member of the EU and demand a referendum to return to the nation to former glory.

We may or may not be leaving the EU. Let's just hope that sense will prevail before it is too late.

We are leaving the EU varian and any anger and frustration you have regarding the small majority who voted for Brexit would be better aimed at the 28% of eligible voters who couldn't be bothered to vote.

We can’t varian, both May and Corbyn have said out is the wish of the majority

So let's not leave the EU. There are 48 million folk in the UK who did not vote for brexit.

It has now become colear to anyone with a brain that brexit would be a ridiculous nonsense, causing irreparable damage to our country for a very long time. Just call a halt to the madness and let's get back to being the sensible respectable country we once were as important members of the EU.

Once outside the EU, my concern is that we shall be at the mercy of that idiot Trump.

Thank you Maizie for posting this radio interview which I did not hear.

Amongst my friends and acquaintances who voted leave (they tend to be Telegraph readers) the notion of sovereignty is frequently given as their reason for making that choice. They are nice educated people who would not like to talk about immigration for fear of seeming racist. They are not disenfranchised unemployed folk living in the post-industrial wastelands. For them "sovereignty" seems like a respectable reason for them to have contributed to this national disaster.

It has to be spelled out to those folk, who may still be open to reasoned argument that we always had sovereignty, but under the plans for brexit, it will be lost (to quote Professor Bogdanor).

I agree Maizie.

If we break free from the EU we will be forced to sacrifice our sovereignty and our standards for trade deals with other countries. The conditions imposed on us by US, Russia or China will be far worse than anything the EU expects.
And of course, at least at the moment, we have a say in EU regulations and standards.

Better the devil you know.

I have got to the point where i am despairing of them all. No great fan of Mrs. M. or the Conservatives, but not keen on the alternatives. But i do think Brexit is a thankless job and she's dammed if she does and dammed if she doesn't. But the sort of chaos and disharmony in the government would never be tolerated in a public company. And how can they have the audacity to criticise running of the NHS when they couldn't run a soup kitchen? They are great at kicking the can down the road or into the long grass though, so obviously all will be well!!