The idiot Trump!

In the 70's, I voted in a referendum to join a Common Market. I did not vote in a referendum to be ruled other than by my own, elected, government, no matter how useless that may be. There has never been a vote to opt to be governed by foreigners, apart from the latest leave/remain referendum, when a majority decided that they had had enough of foreign interference in British affairs. We will be able, hopefully, to get our fishing rights back. We will be able to stop undesirables from entering our Country. We will, again, be able to govern ourselves. I may be stupid in wanting all this, but I am happy to be stupid in a free Country unchained from foreign bureaucracy. Those civil servants, in Whitehall, do draw up contingencies, based on government policy, they do not decide what it is. They do advise and the respective ministers either take that advice or not. Brussels just orders things to be done. I must say that I do feel sorry for those elected MEPs and unelected Commissioners who will have to leave the gravy train, when we eventually leave.

Vivian123 - from what you repeat about unelected bureaucrats, will that include the Civil Service in Whitehall, who prepare UK Govt. policies?

We do elect MEPs, and Commissioners - as far as I know are appointed through UK Govt.

However - without the EU direction of ESF funds into areas like Merseyside - they would not even have the economy in that region that they possess today. Would you really trust a Tory government to promote and support economic growth fairly across the UK.

Cameron for instance was amongst the UK representatives who vetoed the EU proposal to stop China dumping steel into Europe - that didn't go very well did it. Similarly, during 'Storm Desmond', the EU emergency support funds to help relieve suffering in North West England were not even applied for by the Tories. It was local MP Tim Farron who made the availability of those funds public.

The UK has always been a semi-detached EU member - except in Thatcher's day (^and she did so much damage^), but even she saw the benefits to the UK's economy.

MaizieD and railman - yes indeed.

Vivian 123 - no indeed

MaizieD - we need to go on telling the truth, and providing evidence - my "once in a lifetime vote" in the 1970s has been discounted by the current bunch of chancers and n'er do wells. And then they have the brass neck to suggest that the vote in 2015 was a once in a lifetime opportunity - what puerile rubbish.

Please keep up your good work of correcting the propagation of the myths - whether it's the lies about not being able to deport people because of EU rules, or the idiotic notion that the UK does not control its own borders.

One suggestion that beggars belief in my mind is that leaving the EU will apparently mean we will take back control of our money! Sometimes I can't believe either how stupid, or lazy thinking people can be.

MaizieD

You are, obviously, a very intelligent person, as your posts prove, but do you really want to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats from Brussels, in preference to our own elected, although not perfect, members of Parliament. We have a say every 4 years about who rules us, in the British Parliament. We only have one vote in 44 at the moment, n Europe and as we are the second biggest payer in the upkeep of those who sponge off the EU, we are being take for a ride. Time to tell Juncker and his crew to get Knotted. I expect you are quite happy to let the gravy train continue, though. I am not!

I like to dunk a Rich Tea myself
(although the Duchy shortbread is very nice)

Probs the overpriced Duchy kind Jalima Charlie needs all the money he can get so mummy must put them on her Asda shopping list although I wonder if her maj told DT that Charlie made them himself?

That's a shame, Fennel

Courts that stop us deporting criminals because they have a pet cat are not the sort that should be allowed to tell us how we can deal with foreign criminals.

Oh please.... that's a myth

Within minutes, a spokesman for the Judicial Office at the Royal Courts of Justice, which issues statements on behalf of senior judges, said: "This was a case in which the Home Office conceded that they had mistakenly failed to apply their own policy - applying at that time to that appellant - for dealing with unmarried partners of people settled in the UK.

"That was the basis for the decision to uphold the original tribunal decision - the cat had nothing to do with the decision."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15171980

But then, I don't suppose you believe the Judicial Office of the Royal courts of Justice. Mrs May said it so it must be true.

Why do people waste their time trying to tell the truth about things

Maizie I did O level law in 1982 as a mature student. Then A level, then started a degree. But had to give up during the second year, as it took too much time and I was working fulltime as well.

and did he get hand-made Duchy Original biscuits or just rich tea?

HM was on her best behaviour, then.
Wonder what she really thought.

At the risk of being very boring I think he meant a beautiful mind / personality . I doubt even her maj has “ beautiful insides”.

Just heard on the BBC radio news that DT has congratulated VP on an excellent hosting of the World Cup . I would second that .

does he carry a personal ct scanner?

Well DT said that her maj was "beautiful inside and out"so maybe that accounts for all the blinking.

Perhaps HM was wondering why Melania kept blinking twice whenever she looked at her, gillybob

MaizieD
The only courts that I want having a say in this Country's laws are the British Courts. Courts that stop us deporting criminals because they have a pet cat are not the sort that should be allowed to tell us how we can deal with foreign criminals. Human rights should be there for the genuine, not to stop us getting rid of offensive terrorists etc.

Apparently their tea with her maj was extended by over 20 minutes! Listening to his interview with Piers Morgan he only had good things to say about her too which is extremely gracious considering his non welcome to the UK.

Looking forward to hearing the "when Donald met Vlad" meeting too.

This was just posted on my FB page. I particularly like these: 'Dear Queen, don't offer him the good biscuits'; 'not my thing, marching, but honestly'; 'I'm from Essex and that tan is dodgy, Babe'; 'Blink twice for help, Melania'

I know this is not funny, but this is British understatement at its best.

The people did NOT elect Trump. Our out of date electoral college did. He got three million LESS popular votes than Clinton.
And Trump does not out our country first Luckylegs he puts himself first .
He has no understanding of history , he’s a loose cannon with his say anything he wants mouth. He’s a businessman who probably was sleeping in government class. My goodness the man never reads the daily written briefings and he’s proud of it. He has not much focus or attention span. He’s mean, crude and vicious. I want a president who will fight for us and not start wars all over the world and insult leaders. He doesn’t really care about the over two thousand children still not united with their family, nor the teens killed by gun violence. He cares only about those interests that serve him and his re election agenda. What leader, a year after getting elected, has rallies to make himself look better? He riles up the people with put downs and self righteousness behavior. Who does that? Dictators.

I'd never heard of it ....
I did some law as part of a college course but I don't think we touched on the Common Market or the EEC at all.
The Treaty of Rome was in 1958 so perhaps we should have done.

At the risk of boring and disillusioning everyone,

Not at all bored or disillusioned, Fennel. It was very useful.

I have a feeling, though, that the UK wasn't even in the EEC, let alone the EU, when many of us did our O Levels

But of course he’s dangerous
He is - because he just does not understand the role of POTUS, he is not up to the job and does not have the intellect to learn from those who do.

Besides everything else, of course.
He is not the first world leader to have a sleazy attitude towards women but others, perhaps, managed to hide it.

At the risk of boring and disillusioning everyone, there are 7 different institutions in the EU:
ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/the-european-union-the-institutional-system-explained/
I learned about this many years ago when studying for O Level Law, and still forget most of it.

L am pleased to say that I can't wait for us to lose the shackles of the European Union and the dreadful European Court that undermines our laws.

Do you know who was hugely instrumental in forging those 'shackles' and framing many of the laws which you so dislike?

WE WERE.

We = the UK...

And, for the avoidance of doubt, which 'dreadful European Court' are you referring to? The European Court of Human Rights, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU? Or the European Court of Justice which was set up to settle disputes on the implementation of EU law?