Labour gone mad

polly if you mean Hitler supported Zionism as a easy way of getting rid of the Jews in Germany, then for short while he did.Then he decided that killing them all was a better way.
The Labour Party is a disgrace for not just adopting the International definition of anti-Semitism.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/john-woodcock-labour-party-letter-full/

Grandad1943, I respond to the posts I choose to respond to

Anniebach, as the opening poster to the thread anyone would have believed you would have wished to make serious responsive posts to those who take the trouble to reply to the topic.

Although, thinking about it, that would be undoutedly to much to expect.

But Hitler did support zionism at one time. It's a known fact. Don't understand why KL was blamed for saying this. Maybe he gave the wrong emphasis/context. Don't know too much about it.

I agree with Jura2

Just chatting. Nothing unkind or untrue said ,

Anniebach Quote[Ah yes, Jennie Formby, her son with Len McClusky must be an adult now.] End Quote

SO, what has Len McCluskey or Jennie Formby in their private lives have in consequence to the discussion in this thread.

I believe the anniebach post above states far more about the person(s) making such statements than anything they may say in regard to the persons they are disparaging about.....Totally Ridiculous.

Ah yes, Jennie Formby, her son with Len McClusky must be an adult now.

Anniebach Quote [ Another supporter of deselection, the disgrace to the once great broad church Labour Party is Corbyn and his supporters] End Quote

Anniebach, Jeremy Corbyn won the last Labour Party leadership election against Owen Smith by receiving 313,209 votes against Smiths 193,229. That is a very convincing majority in any reasonable persons reckoning I would believe.

However, since that very convincing win, we still have seen a continuous campaign by a number of old Blairites in the party to undermine Corbyn in everything he attempts to undertake. In collusion with Ian McNicholl the General Secretary of the movement in 2017, this group attempted to wreck the whole Labour party General Election campaign because of their own self-serving dislike of Corbyn.

It had been rumoured that such action had taken place following the election, and that was part the reason that McNickoll was "requested" to consider his position by the NEC, which he did.

However, Jennie Formby the new General Secretary has now revealed the true disgusting depth of those actions and the names of all the so called "moderate Blairites" involved.

I am no great supporter of Corbyn as party leader, but I accept that he was democratically elected as leader and so should all who are members of the movement. Therefore those MPs involved in the foregoing action should now be immediately be removed as Labour party parliamentary representatives by their constituency party and also be expelled entirely from the Labour movement by the National executive.

What these people carried out was to attempt to effect the outcome of a British General Election, and therefore as this matter is investigated further I would hope that the Crown Prosecution service may find grounds for prosecution, for that is what they deserve I feel.

When Livingston finally left the party after nothing was done when he claimed Hitler supported Zionism Corbyn said how sorry he was that he had left, he should have had him thrown out.

I do not think that policies can dot every I and cross every T - each policy would take years and years to create and there would still be objections from some. What is needed is an ethos within parties, and especially from the leadership, that makes racist attitudes completely out of order.

I find that this attention signalling the virtue of organisations really rather tedious. I visited a hospital ward recently that had a notice board outside the ward with a vast list of their "vision" - which basically said we are going to take care of you - what a pointless exercise.

Another supporter of deselection, the disgrace to the once great broad church Labour Party is Corbyn and his supporters

Yes anniebach, open debate is certainly not allowed by the so-called moderates in the Labour party. In that, those "moderates" in conjunction with the then General Secretary of the movement carried out a campaign of disinformation to Jeremy Corbyn and other members of the NEC as they gave those persons deliberately wrong information on targeted advertising in the 2017 general election campaign.

Those persons organising that action in an attempt to "wreck the Labour election campaign" included Margaret Hodge and Joe Mann which I find totally disgusting.

The sooner these old Blairites are deselected by their Constituency parties the sooner it will be much better for the whole Labour movement. They are a total disgrace to the name of Labour.

Tbread discussion broadened my foot. Distraction yet again.

Why not a thread on racism in the Tory party?

Apologies. Please disregard the last line in my post above. Dictation Microphone still on when I spoke to someone else.

This thread is for discussion on the Labour Party and anti semetism. Note Anti semitism .

The NEC meeting yesterday was not an open debate.

Open debates are no longer allowed in the Labour Party. At last years labour conference is was decided before hand Brexit was not to be discussed .

Oh Iam64, you do not wish to have the thread discussion broadened to discuss racism throughout our political body overall. That would seem to be a very strange one-sided stance to take in regard to a subject that undoubtedly "infects" all our political parties in Britain.

It would seem that

Please give it a rest Grandad. I appreciate that discussions wander but why introduce islamophobia in the Conservative party in response to a posters genuine concern about anti semitism in the LP. We are all aware that racism is alive and well and living amongst us. I've not heard anyone in RL or on Gransnet discussion boards suggesting that Islamophobia isn't a ' thing'.

That's why some of us are stunned that the LP would re-write a definition of anti semitism, when the existing definition is accepted world wide.

Well, in the matter of racism the Labour party are at least having an open debate on the subject. That is in compleat divergence to the Conservative party where the allegations of Islamaphobia being widespread in the organisation finds its leaders very reluctant to even discuss the subject at any level.

Therefore those contributing to this thread would perhaps like to post their views on the following links in regard to the allegations of a cover-up of racism in the Tory party so the thread can take a more balanced perspective on racism in Britons political organisations

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-islamophobia-tory-party-racism-baroness-warsi-a8394271.html

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/03/observer-view-islamophobia-conservative-party

In the above, I believe the sad fact is that racism surrounds us all in our workplaces, political, voluntary and sporting organisations and in every aspect of our everyday lives. In that, strong action needs to be taken against all who are found to perpetrate such disgusting behaviour. I believe the Labour party with all else that is going on at present in this country are at least to their credit still trying to address this matter.

Yes dbDB, adopted world wide with the exception of Corbyn and the Momentum run NEC.

The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism has been adopted worldwide - including by our own U.K. Government - and is supported by the Parliamentary Labour Party - so what are the LP NEC thinking? The phrase "I don't believe it!" springs to mind.

The NEC has decided to uphold labour party’s code of conduct on anti semetism.

Margaret Hodge has told Corbyn he is an anti semic racist

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/labour-agrees-to-fresh-antisemitism-consultation-after-stormy-debate

Sorry I was reacting to M0nica's post about running round like headless chickens.

Seems they disagree with the Jewish representatives

www.timesofisrael.com/uk-chief-rabbi-tears-into-labour-over-anti-semitism-definition/