What so do thing will happen in Europe in the EU breaks up

Jura

"And the question still is- and has not yet been addressed at all:

The question is, what will happen to the EU, in the EU - post Brexit? "

What do you think?

Many people within the Eu do wish to see it reformed and are working towards that end. You only need to read things coming out of Brussels to see that - but I mean thing being written to spoken by the people concerned - not articles which are written by journalists.

How Europe pans out SHOULD the EU breakup remains to be seen, but maybe having an out and out drunk at the helm who is happy to hand the reins over to contentious Martin Selmayr aka as "The Monster" has angered many MEPs and such appointments seek to fuel the dissatisfaction with the European project. Allegedly it's ok to show disillusionment with the sclerotic nature of the EU and the desire to reform it, even Saint Bob Geldof decreed that is permissible, if we were to remain and reform it, which would be my preference. However, it doesn't appear to want to reform itself, so how can one lone voice do that? Although like it or not, it does seem that reform will be forced upon it by increasingly dissenting members, so one can only guess where that dissent will take it.

I'm with Maw here. 'Uk then known as GB' is simply wrong, and a lot of people get this confused. Maw was simply clarifying, not criticising the person who wrote it and there is no reason to 'have a go' at her!

MaizieD
When someone posts ^ when I left the uk, then known as GB^ I assume that's what they mean.
I would like to expand on the above but off to pick up the kiddywinks.

And the question still is- and has not yet been addressed at all:

The question is, what will happen to the EU, in the EU - post Brexit? And if we look at the divisions of the past- as we have learnt from them indeed, it could be quite a difficult situation- and possibly dangerous.

My comment, unlike yours, MaizieD challenged the statement , not the person.
Ad hominem arguments are a poor recourse.

Well stop 'having a go' at other people.

Don’t read more into things just go have (yet another) go at me please.

No, just pointing out that GB +NI = UK.

What was the point of that MawBroon? Are you trying to say that MargaretX's contribution to this thread is worthless because of what you consider to be an error? Or do you think she's not really 'British' any more so not really entitled to comment?

MargaretX you say When I left the U.K. then known as GB ...
The U.K. was not “known as” GB in 1968
UK is short for “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”It is a sovereign state (in the same way as France or the USA) but is made up of four countries; Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

And, of course, we have moved on from WW2 but to forget history we are in danger of repeating it.

Battles? Our boys? For remembering battles go to France, to Normandy in June of any year to experience the D-day celebrations, there it is not merely history but a living memory.
There is a Last Post ceremony every single night at the Menin Gate at 8.00 pm MargaretX
Every night at 8.00pm (20:00 hours) a moving ceremony takes place under the Menin Gate in Ieper - Ypres. The Last Post Ceremony has become part of the daily life in Ieper (Ypres) and the local people are proud of this simple but moving tribute to the courage and self-sacrifice of those who fell in defence of their town.
Some evenings, particularly in summer, there can be large crowds of visitors. The centenary commemorations are bringing many visitors to Ypres and most nights there are many people attending the ceremony.

evenings, particularly in summer, there can be large crowds of visitors. The centenary commemorations are bringing many visitors to Ypres and most nights there are many people attending the ceremony.

The Germans may not remember for obvious reasons but others do remember the sacrifices made for the defence of freedom.

I hope that Germany has moved on since then - in fact I am sure they have, but they cannot move on until they accept their past, which was not taught for a long time in German schools.

MargaretX - my opinion that the EU needs to stay together, especially France and Germany, was strengthened when I read a biography of Simone Veil. In spite of the fact that as a Jew she was interned in Auschwitz, and survived. but other family members perished, she became the first president of the European Parliament.
Her belief was that after their wars and invasions of the last 100 years, the only solution was that France and Germany should try to forge a friendship. Which they still seem to have, and that is the nucleus of the EU.
Hoping it continues, and somehow the UK supports them.

Margaret
You cannot be serious?
When I left the UK known as GB then in 1968 I felt as if was was leaving a sinking ship and since then it has improved but there was always the feeling that things were better in the wartime, when our boys won battles and these battles are still being celebrated. A country with such a mind set can't enjoy being in the EU- for that you have to be forward looking so I think the time has come to put it all to the test and the UK will probably drag us all down with it

I simply can’t agree with your assessment of the mindset in today’s U.K.
Backward looking?
Living in the past?
“Our boys winning battles”
I assume you have been back regularly and are in touch with the media and what people say? Because frankly I don’t recognise the country I live in.
Battles? Our boys? For remembering battles go to France, to Normandy in June of any year to experience the D-day celebrations, there it is not merely history but a living memory.
I was still a student in 1968 and the U.K. was not yet a member of the EEC, (not yet EU) but as I said, 50 years on, I do not recognise your description one little bit.

WE were worried that Germany would be left alone trying to put the EU together again but now we have been joined by Macron. There is a lot of discussion and worry about other countries leaving but we have to see how the UK manages.

We can't split the rules of the Single market and movement of goods and peoples, and for the Uk to insist ad nauseum that the EU is being selfish or bullying is ridiculous.
Rules are rules and to change them we woud have to have a referendum ourselves.
When I left the UK known as GB then in 1968 I felt as if was was leaving a sinking ship and since then it has improved but
there was always the feeling that things were better in the wartime, when our boys won battles and these battles are still being celebrated. A country with such a mind set can't enjoy being in the EU- for that you have to be forward looking so I think the time has come to put it all to the test and the UK will probably drag us all down with it.
I do feel sorry for the educated young. DD2 is a scientist and they get a lot of EU young graduates working with them on EU projects
She told me they feel quite desperate and can't understand the world anymore.

Indeed- the UK had a better deal than any other EU country ...

Of course we learn from the past - but I was hoping we would respond to the question in the OP - we are where we are (and it has nothing to do with Switzerland ... unless we talk about the Feb 2014 Referendum, which has not yet been implemented, and probably never will, because it has been shown to be too damaging).

The question is, what will happen to the EU, in the EU - post Brexit? And if we look at the divisions of the past- as we have learnt from them indeed, it could be quite a difficult situation- and possibly dangerous.

Here is the report of the deal Cameron went to the EU to ask for and the deal they came to. He actually did quite well but the press decided to show it in another light.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

You have to learn from the past though don’t you?

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
(George Santayana, philosopher, essayist and poet born 16 December 1863 died 26 September 1952 in Rome)

Please re-read the question. This thread is not to discuss the past, nor the UK- but what will happen

TO THE EU - what are the liekly scenarios and the possible consequenses.

Trading organisations would be very welcome. Part of a federal states of Europe run by Brussels? NO! Not forty years ago and not now!

jura2
As said before, would it have been better to stay and reform from within- or not

Unfortunately the EU is so factious now that internal reform would be almost impossible. Reform has been talked about for a number of years but has not occurred because there are vested interests which are not based on social or economic reasons but for political manouvering. Some of the poorer countries have gained spectacularily from membership, yet other poor countries have suffered.
If an action is detremental to one country yet two, three or more other countries benefit what chance does the lone country have in facilitating change?
David Cameron tried, I understand that the referendum was as a result of his failure to instigate change.
Concensus is growing towards the idea of an eventual break-up of the EU and the formation of smaller, like minded trading organisations.

Did I mention Switzerland? How relevant is Switzerland to this discussion

Does it matter?

I don’t think any offence was intended by anybody’s reference to Switzerland any more than any U.K. resident might be offended by references to the U.K., Margaret by references to Germany or Mamie by references to France!
Certainly not to be interpreted as
Just a direct dig at me because I happen to have been be born there

The dangers of allowing a discussion to take a personal direction have been all too apparent today already.
It IS interesting and relevant to look at the situation in European countries who are not members of the EU and Switzerland is one of them.

Not upset me at all Margaret- it is hard to fight stereotypes.
Take care, Tschüssi