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Cliff Richard

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Anniebach Wed 18-Jul-18 10:02:52

He has won his case against the BBC. Let’s hope the media learns from this .

Nonnie Sat 21-Jul-18 16:49:52

But if the BBC don't have to fork out when they behave badly how will they ever learn? We won't even know if he takes the money, if they pay him by cheque he may never cash it. Stranger things have happened. After my son died I found a cheque from Mencap that he had won in their lottery but decided never to cash.

Anniebach Sat 21-Jul-18 17:05:47

Before the court case , I doubt the BBC were flooded with calls saying filming police search through someone’s underwear drawer was unacceptable

PECS Sat 21-Jul-18 17:23:40

Nonnie The words in your post certainly came over to me as if you feel women jump on the bandwagon and make false allegations for a bit of fun. That may happen occasionally but more likely cases of sexual assault go unreported.

My point was that nobody should get away with malicious accusations BUT that just because an accused person is not found guilty does not mean it was a false allegation. It might just be there was insufficient evidence for a jury to be certain & so was not proven in law.

Anniebach Sat 21-Jul-18 17:28:34

Might mean? What of the innocent men who have to live with ‘might mean’

PECS Sat 21-Jul-18 17:33:10

and the innocent women sexually assaulted but it not proven.. equally tough! The law is not an exact science.

Anniebach Sat 21-Jul-18 17:56:29

True not an exact science but it’s what we have so not guilty is not guilty not maybe , maybe not.

Nonnie Sun 22-Jul-18 11:24:32

PECS That is not what I said, that is what you decided I said. I can't be in other people's minds and therefore I only see what I actually see. The point I am making, and have made several times before, is that it is unfair for one party to be named and shamed prior to proof that they have committed a crime but the person making the allegation remains unnamed whatever the outcome. Just how would you feel if someone you know was accused falsely?

We know that a number of people have made false accusations proof of which has been later discovered, I come back to that poor young chap in Croydon about a year ago, if he was a friend of yours how would you feel?

We also know that some people think something is only a wrong if one is caught. I think about the unclaimed lottery ticket in Worcester a year or two back, over 80 people claimed it was theirs!

Someone needs to defend men these days, they often get a raw deal while we strive for diversity and equality. It is quite common for grants and bursaries to exclude white heterosexual males no matter how deserving!

Anniebach Sun 22-Jul-18 11:27:45

Nonnie, I too think white heterosexual males are now getting a raw deal.

Nonnie Sun 22-Jul-18 12:26:00

Annie Sometimes I think the things done for equality go too far. If we could all see each other as equals but when all else is equal give priority to the minorities I am sure there would be less resentment all round.

Anniebach Sun 22-Jul-18 12:48:48

I agree Nonnie, it has gone to the extreme, all women are victims of these sex mad men , no woman leads a man on, if they sleep around by choice they are still victims

PECS Tue 24-Jul-18 22:15:14

I believe a judge can make it clear in court the difference between a case where the allegation is clearly disproved i.e. the accused is not guilty and a case where there is insufficient evidence so there remains a level of doubt.

It is awful for any one to be accused of something they did not do and equally awful to be a victim and not be able to prove it so the perpetrator goes free.

If a woman chooses to have sex with several different partners it does not mean someone she does not want to have sex with can force their attention on her. If a woman 'flirts' with a man that too does not mean he can assume she wants sex with him. Men are not helpless creatures who can't help themselves! Rape is about power & control not sex, sexual assault is also often about power.

I have no doubt there are situations where too much alcohol is consumed and regrets on actions taken when drunk . But if it is not consensual but manipulated it is wrong.

Am I right in thinking the accusations against CR were made by young men?