so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

Jalima1108, that legislation you quote above has caused many very experienced LGV drivers to leave the industry since 2009. The legislation dictates that all LGV licence holders have to undertake 40 hours of retraining every four years to retain their licences

As stated many very experienced drivers were not prepared to go back into a classroom for a week to retain that licence.

For many older people who never did well at school many years ago, the thought of returning to that environment is truly a terrifying prospect.

MaizieD the trouble is.....you don’t recognise humour when you see it.
In fact, there is a definite humour shortage on many GN threads, should we start stockpiling?

Terribull where may one aquire one of those small bomb and nuke proof tables?

Just to add to the misery, due to a wet winter and overly warm summer, The Sunday Times reports that cheese and onion crisps may be in short supply. Could it get any worse

Yes Jalima tinned Snook was a fish, not enjoyed but us during the war, sent from South Africa I believe. Not that I remember it because I was happily born in the 1950s when rationing had finished and bananas were available again.Thank God I eat so many I'm sure I was a monkey in a previous life

So we will just have to get those trade agreements made with countries who do have extra capacity and want to sell it to us, Maizie. We will have to do it from a position of need, instead of our EU position of mutual advantage, but needs must when the devil drives.

Our esteemed government didn't think ahead far enough to see this coming, or to keep us advised of the possible consequences of voting to "take control" of our destiny (did they even work it all out themselves, privately? Or just assume that it would never happen?) They will pay dearly for that politically in the long run, when every ill that befalls anyone will in future be blamed on Brexit instead of on the EU and on them for it happening on their watch, but meanwhile, it is actually happening. This is not a rehearsal..

Meanwhile, running about like headless blue-arsed chickens isn't taking control of anything. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. The day after the vote, I started a thread asking what was to do next - I got a lot of flak, (as though I was pleased about the result - which I wasn't) but not a lot of sensible thought about what needed to done and legislated for in practical terms, to keep the country running after such a monumental change. I frequently wonder whether anyone in the whole country is actually making any viable plans.

Irish lawyer and politician John Philpot Curran is supposed to have said in 1790 "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance" What he actually said was "“The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” but whatever the exact words, it is true that you can't "take control" without forethought and planning and sometimes some unpopular decisions

.you don’t recognise humour when you see it

I don't think that Elegran intends it to be 'humour'. I can tell the difference between extolling the advantages of local and small scale intensive food production (serious) and instructions for distilling gin and vodka (humour)

Still, I have a rather large field that was allotments in WW2. I see a potential source of income...

So we will just have to get those trade agreements made with countries who do have extra capacity and want to sell it to us, Maizie

Which by all accounts can take a number of years! I look forward to renting out allotments

That’s the spirit MaizieD get cracking in digging that field up and planting turnips.

At least you'd have an income, Maizie, though you may not have much to spend it on.

It's funny you should mention that lemongrove, because I saw a picture of the wonderfully, urbane David Beckham posing alongside something that looked akin to an unexploded mine, which was in fact a barb b cue, I believe it's called something like "The Big Green Egg" if you wanted to you could Google it. As to whether it doubles up as a bomb, that could depend entirely on what you put on it, which in David's case could well be a few of Victoria's frocks so they don't end up in the hands of hoi polloi God forbid.

Turning to tables, I think the advice at the time was strong and sturdy, which is very reminiscent of strong and stable, so you can't go wrong there can you whether that would include one manufactured by say Ikea one can only make a guess, perhaps we should have an updated guideline on suitable furniture to climb under in the eventuality of being nuked. Then again maybe as Ikea is Swedish their furniture won't be available to us after next year, unless of course we stockpile it, but personally I don't have the room. Maybe you could get hold of a table salvaged from the 1940 so it's lived through similar turbulent times as those we are expected to go through . Do remember however to make sure your turn your back to wherever the bomb happens to be dropped, as that I believe is pretty crucial. Good luck!

At least you'd have an income, Maizie, though you may not have much to spend it on.
The bartering system could be useful, though - some of Maizie's turnips in exchange for half a dozen eggs etc.

Grandad, pros and cons of EU regulations I suppose - but, having seen a foreign HGV driver trying to get down our extremely narrow lane and causing chaos, perhaps not a bad thing.

I shall expect rental of my field to be made in produce! So that's the veg sorted..

I'm not digging, lemon. The Brexiters can do that bit.

I might keep hens and gt a goat, too, but I think they'd be vulnerable to looters...

^ having seen a foreign HGV driver trying to get down our extremely narrow lane and causing chaos,^

We don't get many foreign HGV drivers round here but the British ones are just as good in the chaos stakes...

* jalima & Grandad1943*
2009. That's when my dear friend sold his haulage company. He'd had enough and that was the last straw.

he was just following 'satnav, satnav' apparently!

Jalima1108 Quote [I suppose - but, having seen a foreign HGV driver trying to get down our extremely narrow lane and causing chaos, perhaps not a bad thing.] End Quote.

Jalima1108, in regards to the "Certificate of Professional Competency" (CPC) that has to be taken every four years for LGV drivers to retain their licence, the initiative for that legislation came from the British Government to the EU Council of Transport Ministers.

The training involves no "on the road" driver retraining whatsoever, as it is entirely classroom-based in regards to maintaining personal health, changes to legislation surrounding heavy vehicles, technical developments in vehicle design and maintenance, the Drivers Hours Regulations and much more.

As I stated earlier in this thread the above has caused many very experienced LGV drivers to leave the transport industry since 2009 which began the current driver shortage and which has grown year on year since that date.

The thought of spending a week in a classroom with all the accompanying paperwork is truly terrifying to older drivers many of who never did well in their basic education many years previous. Hence the reason those people choose to become truck drivers as their profession.

A case of an attempt to make a situation better, making things far worse.

#all the supermarkets are stating that there is no problem with their supply chains when as people are reporting there very clearly is.# from Grandad1943.

Brexit hasn't happened yet so why would it be causing a problem in the supply chains?

I think the problem is It's Summer - supermarket staff take holidays and the supermarkets have hoped to just get by without covering their hours.

I'd bet that the stock is in the shops' warehouses, waiting for someone to put it on shelves.

FarNorth with every respect, but i believe if you look back through the last three or four pages of this thread you will see my views and the views of others on this problem.

A spokes person from Morrisons has looked at the photos and they were taken when the store was being refitted.
Sainsbury had problems with the fridge/freezers because of the extreme weather.

Another example of a picture being “worth a thousand words” - but nobody specified which words.
Personally I have not been aware of any shortages ! empty shelves or otherwise at my local Waitrose and my last Ocado order had no omissions or substitutions.
Is there a problem?

"Is there a problem", according to many then yes.

Even "The Sun" is stating that therefore it must be true.

Yes, my local Sainsbury has had freezer problems, but seem fine now.

Have you built your bunker yet everyone?

Terri I have now located an ideal table for crouching under for when the whistle blows, utility furniture from the early 1940’s just the right size for two people and a cat.

Just talking to OH about this.
He does all the shopping, so I wouldn't know. But he says if you go into our local Waitrose at say 5 0/clock the salad stuff is nearly empty because it's all out in the cold room until the morning.
But I'm sure lots will say: ooh look, shortages