Labour Party and anti semitism

It is lemon, it is . The rot of communism has set in.

It’s what extremes do though isn’t it? Extreme left or extreme right cannot tolerate any dissention.

Iam, I have just heard there is now a campaign to get Tom Watson out, when I heard Tom had that article in the Observer I added - who will be the new deputy leader, seems my pessimistic view is spot on.

I do not know this party, bullying, racism, lies, and the loss of comradeship

Annie, my positive thinking would only go so far as to allow opposing sides to try and find common ground. Reading the news this morning isn't reassuring on that front. good piece in the guardian (apologies again for my technical failures)

That’s unfair, Allygran remains polite and sticks to the topic regardless of sarcasm

"It's not my thread OldMeg...it's Anniebach's. Sorry to see you go."
You could have fooled me.

I listened to it and read all the comments. It still seems odd to me that no one bothers to mention that the all party committee of MPs that looked at the IHRA definition of anti-semitism recommended exactly the same adaptations and explanations be adopted as those the LP has used. Are all of those MPs anti-semitic? Or did they simply want a clearer and more understandable definition?

Iam, I really wish I could have a pinch of your positive thinking.

I regret I found the video pointless, he needs to speak to the country not just party members, unkind I know but was it an attempt to keep the membership up. He doesn’t seem to realise he has to reach out across the country, is he feeling safe with a high membership number ?

It's impossible, it seems to me.
I'm usually a bit Pollyanna about the power of positive thinking and talking between those most affected by any dreadful situation.
This particular dreadful situation seems to polarise views to the point of no return.
I've just watched Jeremy's video. I'm not Jewish and I am a LP supporter. I accept JC is the leader , though not the one I voted for or would have chosen. I can't imagine voting anything but Labour, especially as our constituency has a good Labour MP. I watched the video and felt increasingly like I was back at work, listening to an 'apology' from someone who'd behaved badly but didn't truly get it. More therapy would have been my initial thought. Then I'd have put my positive hat on and suggested this move may lead to some kind of constructive discussions with "the other side"
There, that's how positive I feel.

allygran1 you said It seems to me that a lot of the far left cafe culture elite cannot support Palestine without being against Israel. That is the issue, not that he is supporting Palestine.
Just pointing out that it is possible.
Well we could begin by moving the settlers who have illegally occupied Palestinian land and return to the 1967 border www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm

Well Trisher only OldMeg can answer that one! It is a matter of indifference to me. Read them or don't!

Or if your right Trisher, OldMeg could just join in with the thread about Antisemitism in the Labour Party and the persecution of those members and MP's in the Labour Party who stand up against antisemitism.

Trisher, please stop trying to put words into my mouth. My position is clear, your position is clear. You say you have no need to be against Israel because you support Palestine, I am very pleased to hear that.

Although, you do go on to blame Israel for the failures of the aid agencies, International organisations and Host Countries to establish empowered communities over the last 70 years.

You take the Political stance and I prefer to take the practical and humanitarian stance, that would bring actual change to those living in the Camp/Enclaves in host Countries across the Levant for almost 70 years.

Tell me (although I will be off line from now until late in the evening) how do you envisage a State of Palestine to be? Practically, tell me where would it be? How would it house all of the people in the camps across the Levant, with the birth rate over the year's now thousands and thousands more people than the original displaced persons? Would the people living in the camps/enclaves, permanent "temporary" homes for over 70 years want to live in the place that you are going to describe to me?
By creating a State of Palestine, who would be displaced to house it?

I think OldMeg was being sarcastic about your long posts Allygran1 .

It's not my thread OldMeg...it's Anniebach's. Sorry to see you go.

It took two years to expel this man from the party

youtu.be/OvK1DzaNk0g

I have received his video, i await other labour members views on it

Almost unbelievable, Corbyn has now released a video on anti semitism ,

A newspaper article, now a video, manup Corbyn, face live interviews , stop hiding, you are suppose to be a man who has no fear in speaking out, you did it on Iran state tv.

How can he be defended

I would want a party leader or PM to speak to and listen to Palastine and Israel, Corbyn refuses to do this.

Of course anyone can support Palestine without being against Israel Allygran1 why would you imagine they can't? It's one of the widespread myths created by those who want to blacken the left wing activists who condemn the policies being pursued, not the country or Jews.
Of course Corbyn is influenced by Hamas. Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. Are you suggesting that the people of Gaza have no right to political representation or that the international community should ignore their voice? That is the attitude that fuels conflict. Only by talking to all the parties involved can a resolution be found.
As for humanitarian support being a long term problem, arguably this could have been completely eradicated many years ago had Israel chosen to comply with the UN resolutions it is currently in breech of and allowed a Palestinian state to be properly established. The really sad thing about this is that Israel's attempts to subdue and remove Palestinians will never succeed in the long term. Historically many countries have tried to do this to many different people, but even hundreds of years afterwards, when a language has been lost, when a people have been subdued even assimilated into another country, violence will erupt again. Sadly this looks like the future for the region.

I am still posting varian.

What on earth has happened to the moderate Labour MPs?

"Dear God go Corbyn , take your devotees with you , put the party before yourself for once"
The word korban in both hebrew and arabic means a sacrificial offering.
Coincidence?

I posted about Tom and Emily yesterday, Emily has received abuse on line now.

Dear God go Corbyn , take your devotees with you , put the party before yourself for once.

I'm trying to keep up with this discussion because its close to my heart.
Allygran - it's clearly close to your heart as well. I don't mean to be rude but honestly, I find I glaze over when reading very long posts. I know I'm often guilty of not re-reading my own longer posts and tidying them up so I hope not to sound patronising when I suggest you make them shorter so folks like me can read and make sense of them.

I notice this morning Tom Watson and Emily Benn are speaking out about the need for the LP to get its house in order in the face of continued problems in its perceived stance on anti semitism. Tom Watson says the planned disciplinary investigation into Margaret Hodge and Ian Austen be dropped. It certainly should.

Suberb posts Ally and some won’t like it ( of course) but you manage interesting and polite posts whilst others ( you know who you are OldMeg) can only manage sneers and insults......what a difference!