Labour Party and anti semitism

Measured and thoughtful, but wrong IMHO.

Ally The LP have left it too late to do anything now,( a split) the right time was in the first year when Corbyn was elected.
With all efforts being directed to leaving the EU, it would be the wrong time to do anything like that now in any case.
They have no real choices now but to stick things out for the next few years.If Corbyn is beaten at the next GE that would mean a new leader, if he won, he would only serve one term
(If that) I think once in power they would be planning on replacing him.

I agree lemon, devotion to Corbyn does seem to blank out some facts for some

trisher I appreciated your measured and thoughtful post.

At the Peace Museum in Guernika there was a lot of testament from Catholics and Protestants in NI who had suffered dreadfully explaining their process of reconciliation on a personal and a national level as well as testament from Israeli Jews and Palestinians who wee working hard to appreciate each others point of view, learning that they had much in common as humans. It was very humbling.

The Momentum backed LP would no doubt spout exactly the same excuses that you have done trisher.

Trisher, surely talks with Israel and Palestine is the way forward not calling Hamas friends and snubbing Israel?

As I have family on both sides of the Irish border, I hardly need a lecture on the ‘Irish Problem’ from a Corbyn supporter who has probably never ever set foot there trisher
Typical of the extreme left wing to blame the British Government for everything, Corbyn and friends did, Abbott even said at the time of the IRA ‘that any enemies of the government were friends’ !
Hamas and Hezbollah have much blood on their hands, as do the IRA.
You, like others ,are allowing dislike of the State Of Israel to colour your judgement.

Most kind of you to explain the anger of the IRA trisher, someone will find it interesting I am sure. Both my sons in law’s families are from Ireland, R.C. one has a family of many many generations who lived in Derry, they witnessed Bloody Sunday. We need to remember too the English people , Birmingham pub bombings, 21 killed, 128 injured. Harrods bombing 6 killed 90 injured , Bristol a shopping district 17 injured, too many to list, these victims crime ? Living in England, going to a pub for a drink, Christmas shopping. Let’s not forget there were innocent victims in N I and England.

This outright condemnation of some people and the worship and lauding of others is exactly what causes wars and conflicts. At the time of the IRA activism there were catholic people (British people) denied civil rights, murdered by police and generally treated as second rate citizens. The priveleges enjoyed by the Royal Ulster Police were not only disgusting they were inflammatory. So before posting about IRA horrors consider that had the British government behaved properly and ensured that civil rights were instituted in N Ireland the IRA would never have become so active.
There is much invective in some of the posts about the activities of Hamas and Hezbollah. It should be remembered that Hamas is the elected representative of the Palestinian people in Gaza and a political party. To have conversations with such people is essential if a peaceful solution is ever to be found.
As for Hezbollah it was founded as a direct result of the invasion of Lebanon by Israel. So much as we may condemn it the responsibility for its origins rests with them.
There has been much written about how Israel is a small country threatened by its Arab neighbours, yet Israel is in fact sometimes described as a "Mini military super power" both because of the amount and standard of weaponry it possesses and the number of soldiers it can field in any conflict.
In fact some of the posts on here have illustrated perfectly why there is support for the Palestinian people and why some of that carries over into anti-semitism. There is anger and prejudice on both sides. There are Israeli Jews who hate and despise Arabs and do not believe they deserve a country or any rights just as there are Arabs who wish to destroy Israel. Only by recognising that these extremes exist on both sides but that most people would welcome a peaceful solution can the debate move forward. This whole concept of Me good, him bad should be left where it belongs in the school playground!

Allygran

Apology accepted.

To be fair I have been waiting for this mistake to happen as it is obvious both usernames are similar. It is fair to say POGS and PECS can easily be mixed up .

As for your post :-

" Do you think that with these latest revelations about the growth of antisemitic attitudes in the LP and the latest report about Corbyn's public support of Hamas and anti Western comments on Syrian TV, that this could be the the last straw for the Labour Party moderates . What do you think? "

I would say that again these are discussions held on GN for 2 years and they are not ' latest reports' either on Gransnet or in the media.

So to put it bluntly unless John McDonnell goes on manoeuvres. ( I always said he could ) Corbyn is now and always has been in a safe place . From the start of the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum formation the Parliamentary Labour Party MP's have been shunned and they knew that from the start, they learnt very quickly !

Remember the Corbyn 'Hostile' list?
Remember the denials of calling for 'deselections'
Remember the unprecedented 'resignations' from his Shadow Cabinet.

I could go on.

We can only live in hope Allygran!

I really don’t know Allyg, I have discussed it with some MP’s, some labour activists, my LP and party members .

Party members many take little notice, i think for some anti semetism doesn’t trouble them , like the corbynites here , denial.

Activists many are driven by - a labour government regardless

I can't repeat what some MP’s have said

I am sticking with the party untill certain MP’s are deselected or leave , but my feelings for Corbyn with his lies , hypocricy and what I believe is his drive to turn the Party into a trots Party I now only have contempt

When it comes to the next election I think we will have a repeat of the 1983 election, voters do not want communism

Your views Anniebach and Lemongrove on a split in the Labour Party. Do you think that with these latest revelations about the growth of antisemitic attitudes in the LP and the latest report about Corbyn's public support of Hamas and anti Western comments on Syrian TV, that this could be the the last straw for the Labour Party moderates . What do you think?

Please no apology Allygran, I was just explaining those of us who have posted for quite some time are use to POGS, I think I too have been muddled since PECS joined

So sorry Anniebach no offence meant to POGS or PECS a genuine error.

The only way to bring people together is to talk to them and try to influence their beliefs. You condemn a man who does this because you cannot see the benefit of this approach

OldMeg, I would normally agree with your statement about bringing people together to talk is a way to attempt to find a common ground. However, Corbyn does not do this does he? He give platform and publicity to speakers, leaders and activists who are members of extreme groups who often advocate violent change against those they disagree with, as with Hamas, PLO, PLA etc as far as the Lavant area is concerned, and of course the IRA for over thirty years before it morphed from a violent terrorist group into a Political party and that support continues now.

Your concern that Corbyn is condemned for this, "because we cannot see the benefits of his approach" is correct. There are no benefits to civilised, peaceful, society from his approach. Encouraging, giving air time and a platform to extremists who believe in conflict is not 'trying to influence their beliefs" as you put it in a positive way, it is reinforcing their views by extending their sphere of influence by giving them a high profile public platform from which to spread their ideology.

POGS has been here a long time

Lemongrove thanks for pointing that out, what a awful mistake to make. I do get MaizieD and Mostlyharmless mixed up...now POGS and PECS.

Apologies to POGS and PECS.

True lemon, trouble is now he is leader of the official opposition party he still has the need to take sides where there is conflict. The man is a terrorist groupie .

One doesn’t need to go to a peace museum to understand how reconciliation brings peace, N.I. Still hasn’t achieved reconciliation

It’s no coincidence that the far left of the party ( since Corbyn took over) is now full of anti-Semites.

Corbyn was only a back bencher, his ‘talks’ could never produce anything much, and went way beyond ‘talking’ in any case actually, as he and other comrades tacitly supported and were friendly to the IRA, Hezbollah and Hamas etc.
That’s all Corbyn is, a one man demo for all kinds of dodgy groups.
The crazy fact that he is now in a position of power is frightening.

Allygran it ws not a post by POGS but by PECS, understandable as similar names and in capitals.

If you have not been to the Peace Museum in Geurnika I can recommend it. It really challenges you to think about your own prejudice, about what needs to happen for good reconciliation and the process of forgiveness but without forgetting. It is a very moving place. It investigates the ongoing damage to a community if reconciliation is not achieved.

Mo Molam talked to both sides , even visited loyalists in the Maize prison.