Labour Party and anti semitism

11 points.

Exactly Trisher. It's quite complex.
I think I posted a link earlier but here's another:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/08/full-text-ihra-s-working-definition-anti-semitism
I tried to cut and paste just the ?13 points but couldn't manage it.

Article 3 of the IHRA definition of anti-semitism (which you all keep siting but how manyof you have read it?)
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Now I think Day6 is imagining it but that doesn't stop it being anti-semitic ! Perhaps Day 6 would like to apologise for such a statement. Or is it a case of only recognising anti-semitism when it invollves the Labour party or people passionate about Palestinian human rights?

Good post Day6

Some on here will never accept there is antisemitism worming it's way in the LP, and that's a fact.

Interesting, Jews can think in ways which are different from each other but not members/supporters of the Labour party

I believe Trevor Phillips

Day6
It also suggests that Labour has forgotten a group, the Jews, who are likely to be more than a tad upset regarding a Jew-hating, Israel-hating, political party?
In my opinion this is the most anti-semitic post ever made on GN. It is manifestly untrue because firstly Labour is supported by many Jews and secondly not all Jews believe Israel behaves in a correct manner towards the Palestinians. It does in fact what is completely anti-semitic it labels Jews as a race and does not identify them as individuals who think and act in ways which are different from each other.

Day6, if only he would push off to Israel .

Trevor Phillips said Corbyn is anti semetic, I agree with Trevor Phillips , not blindly, on the evidence from Corbyn’s mouth and the Jews who are fighting anti semetism

PECS" - Annie the table suggests a decline in racist incidents under JC leadership. What does that suggest?"

It suggests

1) That you are sweeping a MASSIVE issue under the carpet.

2)

It also suggests that Labour has forgotten a group, the Jews, who are likely to be more than a tad upset regarding a Jew-hating, Israel-hating, political party?

When does Corbyn stand as MP for Palestine?

Labour has no chance in this constituency, been coming third since the seventies, untill then it was Labour. Our choices are Labour, Tory or Libs.

PECS I wonder how many of us feel as you do? I'm in the same camp. If we had a GE tomorrow, I'd vote Labour because of our local MP, he was born 3 miles away from the constituency, has lived in his constituency all his adult life and represented us since 97, before which we were marginal. There were threats to deselect when he voted no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. He's an older MP and if we have a Momentum type imposed on the constituency I'd probably 'waste' a vote by going Green.
I could never vote Tory. I absolutely agree about Brexit - it's a real quandary. I'm also increasingly irritated by the platitudes shouted by those to the right of Genghis and those who deny there are any splits within the LP other than those caused by so called Blairites.

It,s untrue ?

Annie the table suggests a decline in racist incidents under JC leadership. What does that suggest?

I agree it is hard to know where to place a vote if there was a GE. I am convinced remaining in Europe is better for the UK and TM and JC are not strong on Remain!

Both TM and JC are bad at representing their policies clearly... either because they are poor communicators or because media chooses to edit out their stronger points..who knows!

I could never vote Tory, I am sorry Labour is not more vocal about Brexit. Both main parties are squabbling internally.... I cannot waste a vote.... such a quandary.

And where is the time line?

"Institutional racism is that which, covertly or overtly, resides in the policies, procedures, operations and culture of public or private institutions – reinforcing individual prejudices and being reinforced by them in turn." From the institute of Race Relations

The Tories and Labour are split , The Libs are still floundering, I had a reminder today to register to vote , I am unsure if I want to , I am loyal to Welsh Labour but a general election isn’t voting for Welsh labour and I cannot vote for Corbyn .

Corbyn is very quiet during this ongoing bexit battle, not supporting the labour MP’s who want a people’s vote, but he vanished in the lead up to the referendum .

Back on thread , I agree with Trevor Phillips .

PECS, your post prompted me to check that I have't misquoted Chukka. No I haven't, he used the phrase institutionally racist which shocked me.

Ive just watched a Ch4 interview with Chris Williamson on facebook. His complacency made me feel uncomfortable. He firmly believes that only the actions of MPs like Chukka A led the LP not to win the last election.
We are in interesting times. Trump in the Whitehouse, unsure it seems to me, what Truth is, Mrs May as our PM, hanging on by the skin of her teeth whilst powerful members of her own party brief against her . We have JC - what does he want from Brexit? We have splits within the LP -what next folks.

Iam 64

Funny you mention the Metropolitan Police and 'Institutional Racism '.

I was reminded of watching Dianne Abbot on one of her sorties on Russia Today saying the Met Police were ' Institutionally Racist ' and now she is Labours Shadow Home Secretary. That would bold well.

No, it can happen when racists gather as a body, there is no time scale. Trevor Phillips said Corbyn was anti semetic.

If it is 'institutionally racist' that will have been a long time coming. To become institutional take time.

In fairness , I am so against racism I know I should leave the party.

POGS it's certainly a talking point. We all remember the Lawrence enquiry, which concluded that the Met was institutionally racist. I'm sure many decent Met officers were hurt and angered because they either weren't racist or possibly because they didn't believe they or their organisation deserved the label.
The Met and other forces responded positively to the accusation, with positive results.
I'm shocked to read the same allegation levelled at the LP.

It is unfair to brand all party members racist, I am a member and am not racist. Trevor Phillips said Corbyn is anti semetic and he is , are as his inner circle.

To deny it is to support it in my opinion.

No announcement from HQ on Trevor Phillips views on Corbyn. Yet.

Is it fair to call the Labour Party ' institutionally racist ' ?

I think there is a difference between the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Labour Party and this is why all the trouble started , the trouble progressed and sadly where the trouble may well end.

It was said from the very start that Labour under Jeremy Corbyn was a ' party within a party ' and was fiercely denied .

Now you have the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum National Executive Committee (Div 111) Constituency Labour Parties and the fruition of what was again said from the beginning would happen Labour MP's facing votes of no confidence, deselections , harassment and vile abuse from WITHIN the Party.

I think it is unfair to the decent Labour Members to have the
term ' institutionally racist ' attached to the party in general but there is a subsection of ' new / returned ' Labour Members that would certainly be questionable as to whether they fall into that category and it was inevitable when you kept seeing the connections and team being made from the Labour Leadership office.