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Labour Party and anti semitism

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Anniebach Sun 29-Jul-18 12:49:18

both Margaret Hodge and Ian Austin now face disciplinary action , Margaret for telling Corbyn he was anti semetic and Ian for telling a close friend of Corbyn the party has become a sewer . Freedom of speech not allowed in the party.

Anniebach Tue 31-Jul-18 13:08:00

Blinko, he is a member of the NEC and a long time friend of Corbyn. Seems making a vile racist comment is acceptable in the NEC if you say sorry . No further action for him but there is for Margaret Hodge and Ian Austin by the very same NEC . Suppose the media will be accused of bias against Corbyn by his devotees even though the recording has been made public.

Blinko Tue 31-Jul-18 12:42:18

This Willsman sounds a real pest and a troublemaker, as well as apparently an antisemite. Who on earth has heard of him? How can he cause so much unrest? He surely should be got rid of pdq.

Anniebach Tue 31-Jul-18 10:30:48

Peter Willsman, ally of Corbyn, member of the NEC was recorded saying - Jewish Trump fanatics were behind some reports of anti semitism, he also questioned the evidence of 68 Rabbis who wrote an open letter to the party over anti semetism concerns and claimed “they can falsify social media very easily.

Tom Watson - Peter Willsman disgusts me , he is a loud mouthed bully. There are calls for him to be suspended .

Owen Jones has posted that there is no way now he will vote for Willsman.

Willsman has apologised so the party considers the matter resolved.

There’s a surprise

trisher Tue 31-Jul-18 10:06:30

Even if Corbyn was "buttering up again to Sinn Fein" it is surely very little in comparison with bribing the DUP like Mrs May. Sinn Fein is after all an accepted political party and not the terrorist group that it seems some people still believe.

OldMeg Tue 31-Jul-18 06:35:29

Where on earth do you get your information from Annie? Since when was Corbyn ‘buttering up again to Sinn Fein’. Could it be from deliberately misleading adverts from the Conservative Party.

Let me quote this from an article of misinformation

“Political parties also used misleading information on their official social media accounts.
The attack advert on Corbyn by the Conservative Party, which spliced together a variety of speeches into seconds-long soundbites, suggests that he did not condemn bombings by the IRA and that he also called for the abolition of the army.
In fact, he condemned all bombing  including that of the IRA  — while his “abolish the army” quote was taken out of context. The video has had more than 7 million views.“

POGS Mon 30-Jul-18 23:48:18

PECS

Do you believe that the anti-semitism row that has followed Labour since Jeremy Corbyn became Labour Leader is all to do with media bias?

Have I misread your link?

PECS Mon 30-Jul-18 22:09:21

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-cant-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

Anniebach Mon 30-Jul-18 18:49:22

I agree lemon it is pointless to continue this thread

Anniebach Mon 30-Jul-18 18:48:16

lemon, varian, he is not suitable to be PM, yes bang on when a backbencher but not as PM. A PM can’t refuse to meet a head of state because he disagrees with their politics. He went to N.I. this year and said again he supported a united Ireland, he forgets if he did win an election he would be PM for all in N.I. He was really buttering up again to Sinn Fein, if they take their seats in the house he can be sure of their support so no difference to May and the DUP

OldMeg Mon 30-Jul-18 18:18:06

Totally disagree. I wasn’t a particular fan of JC until I listened to him campaigning - actually listened to what he was saying, and how he was saying it. I was a convert. And I wasn’t alone.

What struck me was here was a politician who actually answered the question put to him, unlike May who just turned it aside and answered (in a fashion) a question which hadn’t been asked...her own agenda, as most politicians do.

So I agree May ran a dreadful campaign but don’t underestimate the campaign run by Corbyn. You should never underestimate your enemy.

lemongrove Mon 30-Jul-18 18:08:10

....and as a last comment, JC did better than expected at the GE because May ran such a very poor campaign!
That reason, and only that.

OldMeg Mon 30-Jul-18 18:06:16

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lemongrove Mon 30-Jul-18 18:06:04

It’s pointless actually to go on because there are not enough posters engaging in the thread, not because of anything that Annie says.

OldMeg Mon 30-Jul-18 18:05:16

Corbyn isn’t a big disappointment, in fact he managed to pull of a very good result in the last GE despite it being called at the last minute and May thinking she was going to increase her majority in the house.

That result was purely down to JB.

PECS Mon 30-Jul-18 18:02:18

Annie I genuinely thought you meant generally. London suburbs are where I have spent much of my life..can't help that!
I am very aware that there are Jewish communities across the UK..it is not unusual & as for your having a family friend who happened to be a rabbi.. that is not unusual either in my experience. It really is pointless continuing this conversation because you refuse to engage in debate but just throw in one liner ripostes to redirect back to your dislike of JC.

lemongrove Mon 30-Jul-18 17:39:46

Of course you meant within the LP Annie it would be ridiculous for anyone to think you meant the whole of the UK.
Corbyn was always going to be a huge disappointment, he managed as a backbencher although spent his life defying the whip, he is a one man protest party.That’s what he enjoyed, giving rabble rousing speeches to the converted.
As a Leader of the Opposition......hopeless.

Anniebach Mon 30-Jul-18 17:03:44

Rubbish Trisher, I speak of anti semitism in the Labour Party , this doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen outside the party, what do expect, a thread - anti semetism in the north/south ?

varian Mon 30-Jul-18 16:55:03

What a huge disappointment Jeremy Corbyn has been. This nonsense would never have happened under either of the Millibands.

trisher Mon 30-Jul-18 16:52:48

Annie I never said all Jews agree I simply pointed out that the discussion about anti-semitism is taking place amongst Jews as well. You have so many times tried to make it appear solely a LP issue. It isn't.

Anniebach Mon 30-Jul-18 16:34:25

PECS, you are not the first Corbynite to state - you must live a sheletered life, I live/ lived in London.

I was referring to anti semetism in the Labour Party not the sodding country. This will surprise you but the Jewish community in South Wales is a large community.

You were claiming when you fought anti semitism in the 70’s you were fighting Labour Party members ?

I was fortunate as a youngster into my early twenties a family friend who happened to be a Rabbi joined my family regularly to share supper, interesting, a Baptist minister and a Rabbi. I learned much.

PECS Mon 30-Jul-18 15:46:08

annie you were the one who
stated there was no anti semitism post war until 3 years,ago!! I gave you a personal anecdote to demonstrate Ì had a different experience. That was not patronising! It was not a reference to where you or I live! The nation's media covered many dreadful racist events so did not mstter where you were!

Anniebach Mon 30-Jul-18 15:01:30

I respect everyone has the right to voice their opinions trisher, but five people ? hardly proof the majority agree

So five Corbyn devotees can post here praising him as honest so it must be true ?

trisher Mon 30-Jul-18 14:54:28

5 Jewish people's opinions Annie do you find them unacceptable in some way?
Interesting that the Commons Select Committee actually recommended the adoption of the IHRA definition but with similar additions as those now adopted by the LP.
We broadly accept the IHRA definition, but propose two additional clarifications to ensure that freedom of speech is maintained in the context of discourse about Israel and Palestine, without allowing antisemitism to permeate any debate. The definition should include the following statements:

It is not antisemitic to criticise the Government of Israel, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent.
It is not antisemitic to hold the Israeli Government to the same standards as other liberal democracies, or to take a particular interest in the Israeli Government’s policies or actions, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent.
Why wasn't this done?

Anniebach Mon 30-Jul-18 14:32:56

trisher, five peoples opinions !

Anniebach Mon 30-Jul-18 14:30:19

I am quite aware that anti semetism has always existed, the trouble with some who live or have lived in London is their assumption that those living in other parts of the country have little or no knowledge of life, so patronising.