Labour Party and anti semitism

Perhaps because it is important to investigate and examine all accusations as thoroughly as possible Annie something I think you will agree should also be extended to Margaret Hodge and anyone else accused of misconduct. Or would you rather she was immediately disciplined for calling the party leader anti-semitic?

Corbyn voted against the party whip 428 times during the last labour government, Frank Field votes one time and faces deselection

Why did it take two years for any action to be taken against a Momentum member who abused Ruth Smeeth live on tv in front of Corbyn , what did that have to do with Palestine?

Lemongrove There is correlation between growing awareness & support for Palestinian human rights and the growth of accusations of anti Semitism, particularly in LP now, bcos JC is vocal about Palestine. It is not necessarily the same people!
It is perfectly possible to be Jewish and support the rights of Palestinians to be treated with equality and respect, it is also perfectly possible to be Palestinian / supporter of Palestine and not be anti- semetic . The world is not an either /or place . Jews are as varied in opinions, in class, values, attitudes as any other group. It is the right wing who want to present "one Jewish voice" and many Jewish groups find this an anti Semetic stance. I am a strong supporter of Palestine and I find it important that the voice of Palestine is not silenced by fear of being labelled anti- semetic. I do believe that political extremists manipulate uncertainty and turmoil for their own ends. The world is moving right. I find that a very worrying place to be.

Lemon, I had ding dongs with you and a few others when Corbyn stood for the leadership, I really did believe he was a good man, I still remember the shock watching channel4 news and learning that while we Labour Party activists were fighting back after the disastrous 1983 election Corbyn was working against us, and OldMeg tells me I can’t be a lifelong party member and Trisher asks why I don’t leave the party.

At the party conference last year talk of Brexit was forbidden , I have been to many party conferences over the years, remember freedom of speech and members were free to speak on any concerns , leaders had to sit there and take it , not anymore, speak out and your out , the Labour Party is being run the same as parties in communist countries. Frank Field is in the firing line now , a good man who has fought so hard for the most vunerable.

Very admirable!

Of course Annie can not support the Labour leader. Look how many of us were hopeful when Blair elected and then he sold us down the river. Look at the debacle in the Tory party over leadership too. I am quite sure there are Tory party members who want her gone. I have no problem with differences of opinion but they must be argued and debated using verifiable facts to back them up. Argue the policies and not the person. I too voted for JC but do not support all his opinions on Europe. Passion and others ignorance can sometimes stop me being as rational as I want. But I try not to be personal.

Why are you going on and on about the Palestinian problem PECS is it preferable to you than talking of anti-Semitism within the LP perhaps.

OldMeg ...you haven’t been on this forum for very long so don’t realise but Annie has been a life long member of the LP indeed and until she realised what Corbyn was like we had a few political ding dongs on here.
You also don’t realise what has happened to the LP over the last few years under his leadership, the extreme left wing has burrowed insidiously into it like a worm into an apple.
Momentum and like minded people ( Marxists, Communists) whilst pretending to be mild mannered
Socialists, have taken over.
You can’t see a problem with that perhaps, if you are as one with their political aims, but many MP’s and LP members, not to mention the wider electorate do see a problem with it, and a very big one.The anti-Semitic views they propound
Are but one unpleasant aspect.

I see no explanation from OldMeg as to why I cannot be a life long member of the Labour Party because I dislike and mistrust the present leader yet Corbyn has battled against the party leaders since he became an MP.

"If it becomes apparent that a party it becomes apparent that a party holds a political bias against people of your heritage of course you would feel enough is enough - the insult is there and no explanation for feeling offended is necessary. holds a political bias against people of your heritage of course you would feel enough is enough - the insult is there and no explanation for feeling offended is necessary."

can you now imagine how the Palestinians feel in Gaza /WestBank/ Israel or UK?

Exactly my point PECS .

Day6 you have no idea why I ‘continue to pick holes’ ?
If there are big holes of misinformation and surmise in your post, holes that you present as fact then of course someone is going to point that out.

There are those who might accept what you say as the truth, if they cannot distinguish a fact from what is merely your opinion. Simples!

I’m not precious about being called a woman either! !

Statements such as ‘I imagine Margaret Hodge....’ are pure surmise

I don't get your point. It's an OPINION woman! (You feel it's OK to address others in that way btw....)

Of course I am surmising . I began my sentence with the words "I imagine...."

I have no idea why you continue to pick holes...but do carry on.

I have friends & acquaintances who are very unhappy that their opinions are being merged into one 'Jewish voice' when in fact there are as many different shades of political opinion, including staunch supporters of JC, amongst Jewish people as there are an any group. Margaret Hodge can no more speak for all Jews as I can for all people with curly hair!

Listening to the Radio 4 debate earlier today there were Jews on who did not support Margaret Hodge so the ‘Jews throughout Britain’ comment is misinformation.

Statements such as ‘I imagine Margaret Hodge....’ are pure surmise.

And I’m interested to note your turn of phrase ‘enough ammunition against him’ - which is of course where you are coming from..

Fine, if you want to argue in this way, so long as you realise the discerning reader can see through the waffle etc.

Hardly an unbiased theory Day6. Your support of the Right has been noted in previous threads and interesting indeed that Anniebach finds a kindred spirit in you.

Oh for goodness sakes OldMeg your nasty criticism of anyone who doesn't hold your left wing views has also 'been noted'.

I do not 'support the right' - I support common sense blow with the wind politically. For your information I was a staunch Labourite for years. Like many of the same ilk we have moved away from the Corbyn and co version of Socialism/Marxism. That is allowed.

If I agree with people like Annie, that too is permissible so stop your censorious tone. That too has been 'noted'. (Are you the original Big Brother?)

Are you denying that Momentum is grooming candidates to stand for the Labour party, that future MPs, if elected, will have been approved by Momentum? That approach too has caused a furore in Labour circles.

One has to sympathise with Hodge and Austin. Their days as Labour representatives are probably numbered. Watch this space.

I will support freedom to say what you believe as long as it does not incite hatred or encourage others to harm anyone. Which is why extreme politics or ideologies that encourage supremacy of one group over another through subjugation of others cannot be afforded the right of free speech.
The LP does not ban free speech! It encourages open debate but the rules of engagement do need to exclude personal insults and lies. I am aware that this has become the norm..lies and insults..in almost every strata and shade from pink to dark blue of political life..which is so depressing.

OldMeg, obviously you are use to being adressed as ‘woman’ I am not, I have a Christian name.

You have little knowledge of Party membership, one can be a party member but have no respect for the party leader, heaven knows Corbyn worked against Labour Party leaders and he a labour MP . It happens in parties, surprised you who preach to me about party membership didn’t know this.

Oh and further to the above, there have been many examples of Corbyn's anti Semitic stance. I am sure Margaret Hodge does not have to list them. Reading Gransnet threads on the topic would give anyone enough ammunition against him.

and call the leader of the Labour Party anti-semitic without giving any valid reason apart from the fact that she has Jewish ancestors

Think that one through Trisher. I imagine Margaret Hodge got sick to the stomach of anti-Israel, anti-Jew exchanges and dialogue within the Labour party, simply because their are family links.

If it becomes apparent that a party holds a political bias against people of your heritage of course you would feel enough is enough - the insult is there and no explanation for feeling offended is necessary.

Jews throughout Britain are outraged that one of the main political parties is so biased against them, and rightly so.

Anti Semitism is hateful. End of. I applaud any Labour MP with the guts to speak out.

Hardly an unbiased theory Day6. Your support of the Right has been noted in previous threads and interesting indeed that Anniebach finds a kindred spirit in you.

Nothing wrong of course with your preference for right wing politics, we are all entitled to our views, but just so long as we understand that coming from a difference political stance often means the spreading of misinformation eg freedom of speech not allowed in the party.

Freedom of speech not allowed in the party.

Exactly so Annie.

Criticism of the leadership (and far left Momentum) will not be tolerated. I imagine there are Labour members doing a lot of background recruiting work in the constituencies of those who are critical of Corbyn. Watch at the time of elections for only far left candidates to be standing for Labour.

PS don’t confuse your version of politics as ‘truth’. You need to learn to distinguish between fact and opinion.

Don’t you understand why you cannot be a life-long Labour supporter? You do not support today’s Labour Party because you hate its leader and presumably you are still alive! So not life-long any more!!!

Woman? What’s wrong with that? Are you not a woman? Shall I address you as Lady Annie perhaps, or Madam ???