Exit from Brexit

^that depends what you mean by no deal.
If there is no agreement on Brexit which is quite likely there will have to be agreement on what happens now, there will have to be a period when current regulations apply, a transition.^

No deal means exactly what it says no deal. That is, nothing is agreed between the UK and the EU.

Which means that on Brexit day; the day when we leave the EU, we are regarded by the EU as a third country and are treated as such. Read the EU's 74 notices to stakeholders on exactly what that entails. They've been available for many months.

There will only be a period when the current regulations apply if we have an agreement with the EU for a transition period and we know that a transition period is dependent on agreement of the Withdrawal Agreement.

There appears to be a 50:50 chance of 'no deal'. It would be so calamitous that many people don't think it's possible that anyone in govt. would let it happen. Looking at the record of this government over the past few years I wouldn't be that confident...

Your absolutely right lemon. This saga has certainly shown beyond a shadow of doubt what shallow charlatans our politicians are on all fronts. I would never have believed how completely appalling and dishonest they all are with the exception of, imo, Mrs May who, again imo, has done her very best in the face of diabolical disloyalty, dishonesty, and treachery, and that's just her own party!! As for the LP, words fail me - shambles might go a little way to describing them, the liberals?!! Just out to wreck! All out for their own ambitions no thought for the good of the UK! And we accuse the Commission!! Our own MP's on all sides are as bad if not worse. Either mad or bad, you can take your choice!!

Whatever politicicians say, I don’t believe many people swallow it hook line and sinker ( on any side) but what we have here ( with exiting the EU ) is a can of worms.....the politicians being the worms.
Once both the LP and the Conservatives had upheld the referendum decision, however tricky negotiations were going to be, most assumed that they would all pull together
For the good of the UK.
That hasn’t happened.The hard Brexiters within the Conservatives are going all out to wreck things, the ultra Remainers within the Conservative Party are doing the same and the LP have abandoned any notion of trying to support any deal with the EU at all, by saying they will not agree to (virtually) anything, simply because they are trying to force a GE to get Corbyn into power, that matters more to them than the good of the country.The Lib Dems are going all out to block us leaving at all.
If all the politicians had pulled together on this and put the UK first instead if their own egos and hunger for power then we would have been in a very good position indeed!

This morning we have more dire warnings from Hammond about the effect of "no deal", that depends what you mean by no deal.
If there is no agreement on Brexit which is quite likely there will have to be agreement on what happens now, there will have to be a period when current regulations apply, a transition.

We are not going to see changes in border control immediately, the crunch will come gradually when new arrangements take effect. After any transition we become a "Third Country" that's when it will hurt.

No government is going to prevent trucks carrying food or medicine from crossing the channel, it is the UK doing the customs checks, the EU still want to supply us food they have no interest in any restriction.

How could anyone who has seen the dire warnings issued today from the government about a no-deal brexit, ever deny that they were lied to by this bunch of charlatons?

Well said Varian.

"If you've forgotten all the lies told during the Brexit referendum and what the truth has turned out to be, let me remind you. The way things are going, the crew from the BBC’s Horrible Histories are going to soon have some new material to get their teeth stuck into.

As for Boris Johnson, there are so many porkpies on his plate that, well, where do you even start?"Boris Johnson’s resignation speech: what he said and what he meant
Now? Project Fear is back with a vengeance, courtesy of the Conservative Brexit Crazy Party, which lost a general election it didn’t need to hold and then sat on its hands until the last minute before producing a Chequers plan that crashed and burned within a matter of minutes.

Except that it’s Project Fear no longer. What the British government is doing to confront the subjects it is wilfully and brutally betraying... is pant-wetting. And it's now “get yourself down to Tesco to stock up on canned goods and candles” reality time. A reality that could hardly be more different from the stripy candy the Brexiteers sold during the referendum."

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-food-medicine-stockpile-theresa-may-no-deal-eu-boris-johnson-david-davis-a8466161.html

The U.K. will grant EU citizens living in the country the right to stay even if there is no Brexit deal, according to a leaked government paper seen by the Telegraph.

So why didn't they do this right at the start?

Or have they finally been convinced that people aren't bargaining chips?

It's a bit late to be taking the 'high moral ground' now.

Of course, we don't know the detail of this. Will it mean that they have exactly the same rights as they did pre-referendum?

I did wonder how they were going to square the potential situation of EU nationals working for the NHS but being unable to use it.

The U.K. will grant EU citizens living in the country the right to stay even if there is no Brexit deal, according to a leaked government paper seen by the Telegraph.

EU migrants will be entitled to continue living in the U.K., accessing the NHS system and claiming benefits, the paper says. And these rights will be guaranteed unilaterally by the British government, regardless of whether Brussels agrees to do the same for British citizens living in the EU27.

“Making an offer is not only important to provide certainty publicly, but will enable the UK Government to take the moral high ground. A number of other plans are also dependent on the Government’s position on this issue, relying heavily on the availability of existing labour in a ‘no deal’ scenario,” the Telegraph quotes the leaked Cabinet paper as saying. The paper also makes reference to the impact a no deal would have on the availability of labour for U.K. businesses.

www.politico.eu/article/uk-will-allow-eu-citizens-to-stay-if-no-brexit-deal-nhs-benefits/

Disraeli took the definition of a 'poseur' to its ultimate length, but it is the sheer bravura of the man - and his wit that makes him so attractive.

And he married a rich widow 12 years older than him to whom he was utterly devoted for the rest of her life.What's not to like?

Just a shame he was a Conservative.

Monica I have just visited Disraeli’s rather fine house, and by all accounts the quote by him ( of Gladstone) could equally have been applied to himself.
Actually it probably could suit a lot of politicians.

Ah, but see where it got him in the end! And 'his' people- who died for his vanity in the 100s of 1000s- right up to 1871 (under his stupid nephew Napoleon III)...

In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.
-Napoleon Bonaparte

Men [women] are apt to mistake the strength of their feeling for the strength of their argument. The heated mind resents the chill touch and relentless scrutiny of logic.
William E. Gladstone
Be thorough in all you do; and remember that although ignorance often may be innocent, pretension is always despicable.
William E. Gladstone

Labour will always put jobs and the economy first”

This is total rubbish, not just for Labour but for any political
party.

Staying in power is by far the most important factor.

Can we have a vote on party political broadcasts on Gransnet

Could be Grans-exit !

Is this still a Brexit thread?

Like it M0nica!

Good example Monica.

Or as Disraeli said about Gladstone a sophistical rhetorician, inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself

Jeez. Are we re-running last year's GE now?

What is the point of all this verbosity?

ahhh ery quick but oh so short ;)

And the bulk of it b****r all to do with Brexit.

Yes, Allygran, I did notice that you make that point, but that raises the question of what on earth was the point of copying and pasting it all? I seem to remember that the Conservatives also came under a lot of criticism in that respect, but you make no mention of that, I notice!

?very quick Jura2