Exit from Brexit

Varian not only were the Leave campaign supported by the wealthy, so too the Remain campaigns by 23 of not only wealthy people but also these people are within the upper echelons of the Establishment. Even Cameron used the Tax payers money to send out a glossy brochure to support Remain. Take a look at this :

Billionaire investor George Soros has contributed £400,000 (Dh2 million) to a campaign which is aiming to overturn Britain’s exit from the European Union. The Telegraphnewspaper revealed that Mr Soros, who came to notoriety in 1992 when he made hundreds of millions of pounds betting against the British currency, had hosted a dinner for remain-supporting Tories at his Chelsea home on Monday night.
“George Soros’s foundations have along with a number of other major donors also made significant contributions to our work,” Mark Malloch-Brown, a former British diplomat who is chair of the Best for Britain campaign group.
“Indeed, through his foundations he has contributed £400,000,” said Mr Malloch-Brown, who has previously worked in senior positions at the United Nations and Britain's foreign ministry.

www.thenational.ae/world/europe/george-soros-contributes-funds-to-brexit-remain-campaign-1.702679

Every household in England will receive a glossy 14-page booklet through their letterbox next week making the case for Britain to remain in the European Union, as the government kicks off a £9m taxpayer-funded publicity blitz.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/06/cameron-to-push-case-remain-eu-with-9m-taxpayer-funded-publicity-blitz

23. Sir Alan Parker

Sir Alan Parker is Chairman of Brunswick.Brunswick
Donation: £40,000.
Net worth: £128 million.
Parker is the chairman of one of the most powerful public relations groups in Britain — Brunswick advises more than a quarter of FTSE 100 companies.
T=16. Tony Langley

YouTube/52SuperSeries
Donation: £50,000.
Net worth: £1.32 billion.
Langley oversees Langley Holdings, which is worth at least £1.2 billion. The company stemmed from turned around his family’s struggling business unit which makes mining equipment. He owns the racing yacht Gladiator, and a helicopter and a twin-turbo jet.

T=16. Tony Gallagher

Donation: £50,000.
Net worth: £850 million
Gallagher is a property mogul who has a £1 billion private rental business. His property portfolio include expensive properties in London and other major cities. He is also close friends with former Prime Minister David Cameron and even threw a party for Cameron’s 50th birthday at his Oxfordshire mansion last year.
T=16. Sir Simon Robertson

Sir Simon Robertson from London is knighted by Queen Elizabeth II at BuckinghamPalace.PA
Donation: £50,000.
Net worth: £110 million.
Robertson is a former Goldman Sachs employee and shareholder who went to Eton. He was also the deputy chairman of HSBC until last year.

T=16. Sir Peter Rigby

PA
Donation: £50,000.
Net worth: £600 million.
Rigby founded the Rigby Group 42 years ago and it now has sales of £1.8 billion and 7,500 staff.

T=16. Lord Glendonbrook

Parliament website
Donation: £50,000.
Net worth: £200 million.
Lord Glendonbrook, also known as Michael Bishop, was one of the first openly gay senior executives in corporate Britain. He was the former chairman of Midlands-based airline bmi and made most of his money from the sale of his stake, once German aviation giant Lufthansa bought BMI in 2008. He is also a big Tory party donor, having given more than £1 million in total.
T=16. Glenn Earle

Teach First
Donation: £50,000.
Net worth: £105 million.
Earle is the former chief operating officer at Goldman Sachs who had a £40 million stake in the Wall Street giant when it floated in 1999. He now is a member of the National Theatre's board and is a non-executive director on several others.
T=16. Bruno Schroder

Schroders
Donation: £50,000.
Net worth: £4.26 billion.
Schroder and his family own a £3.8 billion stake in City-based asset management group Schroders. He is the great-great-grandson of John Henry Schroder, who co-founded the Schroders businesses in 1804. He is still a non-executive director of the group.
15. John Armitage

Funds People Videos/YouTube
Donation: £65,000.
Net worth: £540 million.
Armitage, who runs Egerton Capital, made a killing in 2015 after betting against crashing energy stocks. Armitage has a 50% stake in the group, meaning his dividends are pretty stellar. His fortune rose by £40 million over the year.
T=12. Mike Lynch

Mike Lynch of Dark TraceMatt LLoyd/Rex Features
Donation:£100,000.
Net worth: £469 million.
Lynch grew up in London's East End and founded software company Autonomy, which he sold to HP for £6.5 billion.
T=12. Ian Wace

Donation:£100,000.
Net worth: £505 million.
Wace, one of the duo that makes up the Marshall Wace, sold a 25% stake in their hedge fund to the US private equity group KKR, making £50 million.
Both Wace and Paul Marshall also gained £93 million worth of KKR shares in the deal.
T=12. David Brownlow

David Brownlow/Huntswood
Donation:£100,000.
Net worth: £215 million.
Brownlow co-founded a regulatory and compliance advice to the financial services industry company called Huntswood in 1996.
11. Ewan Kirk

PA
Donation: £110,000.
Net worth: £225 million.
Kirk is another former Goldman Sachs partner who launched his Cambridge-based hedge fund manager Cantab Capital Partners in 2006. It manages $3.5 billion and he owned two-thirds of the business before he sold it in 2016.
10. Andrew Law

Andrew Law giving a speech on behalf of the Law Family Charitable Foundation at the Trinity Church of England School in Manchester, UK.Law Family Charitable Foundation
Donation:£200,000.
Net worth: £475 million.
Former Goldman Sachs trader Law is the chairman and main shareholder in New York hedge fund Caxton Associates.
9. Denise Coates.

WPA Pool / Getty
Donation: £262,500
Net worth: £5 billion.
She is Britain's richest self-made woman thanks to turning her small betting shop into the world's largest online gambling company — Bet365.
8. Ian Taylor

Bloomberg TV
Donation: £359,000.
Net worth: £180 million.
Taylor is the CEO of private commodities company Vitol, which ships 303 million tons of crude oil and other products a year.
7. Lisbet Rausing

YouTube/UC Berkeley Events
Donation: £359,000.
Net worth: £9.25 billion.
Rausing is a science historian and philanthropist but gains her wealth from being part of the Rausing family packing empire, Tetra Pak. She's the eldest daughter of Hans Rausing and his wife Märit Rausing who sold their 50% stake in the Tetra Pak carton operation for £4.4 billion.

6. Nathan Kirsh

Nathan KirshSAentrepreneurs/YouTube
Donation: £500,000.
Net worth: £3.977 billion.
Kirsh founded a Swaziland corn milling business in 1958, which later led to his sizeable fortune. He has a sizeable stake in New York-based cash and carry operation Jetro Holdings because he runs the Kirsh Group, which has a 75% stake in Jetro.
5. Lloyd Dorfman

Lloyd Dorfman from London is made a CBE by The Queen at Buckingham Palace.PA
Donation: £600,000.
Net worth: £556 million.
Dorfman founded the Travelex chain in London and received £240 million for part of his stake when he sold it in 2014. In 2014 he and Network Rail launched the Doddle parcel collection service.
4. Mark Coombs

Donation: £750,000.
Net worth: £1.156 billion.
Coombs is the CEO of Ashmore Group, worth more than £2 billion.

T=2. Mike Gooley

YouTube/TravelMail
Donation: £1 million.
Net worth: £360 million.
Gooley, a former SAS soldier for 10 years, set up travel agency Trailfinders in 1970 and it made him a multi-millionaire.

T=2. David Harding.

CNBC/YouTube
Donation: £1 million.
Net worth: £1.3 billion.
Harding is one of the richest hedge fund managers in Britain. He set up Winton Group in 1997 and it also gained $1.1 billion in the days after the referendum.


1. Lord Sainsbury Now does not support Political causes in favour of charity.

PA
Donation: £4,228,234.
Net worth: £560 million.
Lord Sainsbury is by far the biggest financial backer of the remain campaign and even gave £2.1 million each to Labour and the Liberal Democrats parties. He was the former Labour science minister.
uk.businessinsider.com/sunday-times-rich-list-2017-biggest-donors-to-the-remain-campaign-against-a-brexit-2017-5/#t2-david-harding-22

Over the next few weeks, hundreds of local Labour parties will consider a contemporary motion backing a ‘people’s vote’ on Brexit, with a view to sending it to Labour conference. It has already been passed by nine CLPs, while another 130 or so are set to debate it before the deadline of 13th September. The question is whether the motion is chosen in the priorities ballot, which determines what is to be debated at conference. And that depends on how hard the party leadership, and particularly Momentum, whip against prioritising a Brexit debate.

labourlist.org/2018/08/will-labour-conference-2018-debate-a-peoples-vote-on-brexit/

,Jalima1108, you have changed threads but still making the same cheap throughway comments that you were making on another brexit thread a few minutes ago.

However, once again you make those comments/posts without joining the debate in any meaningful way.

Perhaps you have no opinions or cannot form any opinions of your own.

Never say never.
As women we know what is said or done in the heat of the moment is quite often wrong and changing ones mind is quite normal.

Spot on andycameron 69!

AG you need to read this link
Just to keep you busy Ally

According to a recent poll, support for staying in the EU is 79% among voters aged 18-24.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/13/labour-reversal-brexit-jeremy-corbyn

I do not think that Gransnetters should be ignoring the opinions of this age group who might be our children or grandchildren or even great grandchildren, but we all know that we are talking about their future much more than our's. So listen to them.

Fascinated by this exchange " who's facts" the problems is that leavers have only got aims and aspirations, remainers have got the status quo, plus plans for no deal. And it is very difficult to be passionate about remain
Let's face it the EU have the upper hand in these negotiations, personally I don't believe a Norway type deal is going to help the UK economically and no deal certainly won't. One thing for sure the poorest in society will suffer most because even if Corbyn gets elected there will be less cash to share out.

Our democracy was high-jacked and perverted by foreign governments and tax exiles, billionaire media proprietors and alt-right data miners to the extent that 17 million out of 65 million people living in the UK were manipulated into voting leave in 2016.

Fortunately many of these decent people now realise that they were deceived into thinking that things would be better if we left the EU but the truth is quite the opposite

Nobody voted to be worse off, for their children and grandchildren to be worse off or to be citizens of a once great country which became the laughing stock of the world. That vote has been soundly discredited. We need to reclaim British democracy.

We need to be given the opportunity to vote again and chose between "the deal" - whatever that is, "no deal" which we know would be catastrophic, and the much better choice of remaining in the EU. If you believe in democracy, why would you not allow an informed decision to be made by the peolpe?

But someone protesting about a political decision does not make them an anarchist . I can protest about the conservative government’s policies, nhs closures, decisions on fracking, anything...it’s called freedom of speech and last time I looked those who want to close down freedom of speech are those who support a totalitarian system such as fascism or communism where no opposition to the ruling party ( even if they had been elected by popular vote is allowed) .

AG you need to read this link

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/25/nigel-farage-denies-shorting-value-of-sterling-on-night-of-brexit-vote

and this one

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash

and this one

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/how-brexit-day-concession-helped-hedge-funds/

there can not be a second referendum... end of, it is called a majority vote....happy times totally out.

we have had a democratic vote to leave...what do you not understand about majority.... and democracy...????

“This means your (sic) an anarchist” getting your political terms inaccurate again I see.

Maizie I am not missing the point. I am missing your point, that is a different matter.

Spot on Joelsnan.

Varian how has Farage and mates broken the rules?

Varian

"When the facts change, rational people change their minds"

Well Varian, that depends on who's "fact's" they are. How suseptable we are to suggestion and of course how the so called fact's fit in with our own agenda's.

It’s normal. It’s advisable. We do it every day.

Of course we change our mind's every day about what we might have for lunch or which programmes we watch on the box, I often change my mind about having a pudding or not. However on the big issues, like should I marry this man, should I sell the biggest asset I have the house and move to live near my Daughter, or have I had enough should I divorce my Husband or Wife. The bigger issues of life most people tend to think a lot more about them, I think you would agree.

Thanks to Gareth Southgate I changed my mind about the England football team.

Well this one demonstrates the mercurial nature of this person. Only support something when it is winning! True loyalty there then!

The facts about Brexit have most certainly changed over the past two years and I’ve now changed my mind about that too.

I refer you to what I said earlier, depends on who's 'fact's' your using.

When once I quietly accepted a democratic vote to make Brexit happen, I don’t any more."

Then you no longer believe in the Democratic majority vote on which this Country's system of Democracy is based. That mean's your an anarchist. These things happen ...but not often!

When I posted the words of a mumsnetter who now regrets her vote to leave, it was predictably dismissed, so here are the words of an experienced political journalist and broadcaster who has had the same change of heart-

"When the facts change, rational people change their minds. It’s normal. It’s advisable. We do it every day. Thanks to Gareth Southgate I changed my mind about the England football team.

The facts about Brexit have most certainly changed over the past two years and I’ve now changed my mind about that too. When once I quietly accepted a democratic vote to make Brexit happen, I don’t any more."

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/gavin-esler-changed-my-mind-on-brexit-1-5644402

Gavin Esler: Why I’ve changed my mind on Brexit

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/gavin-esler-changed-my-mind-on-brexit-1-5644402

Exactly Joelsnan!!

winterwhite
When the horizon changes prudent sailors alter their direction, blinkered one’s carry on heading for the rocks.

You have described exactly what Leavers are doing. They have the foresight to see the longview of the EU and it doesn't look good , its already listing to the right, so they are lowering the lifeboats and heading for safety whilst those who only see what is in their vicinity dance whilst the band plays on.

You do have a talent for missing the point of the argument, Ally.

We all know that currency values fluctuate and that short selling exists.

Some people are trying to imply that the fall in the pound's value has nothing to do with Brexit.

I suppose the UK's poor growth rate over the last two years has nothing to do with it either...

!0 years ago was the world banking crisis, as I recall. Did the pound continue to fall for two years then?

It does not surprise me that people make money out of buying and selling currencies, and I don't suppose it should surprise anyone that Farage and his friends appear to have broken the rules.