Exit from Brexit

Our country would have been better served if everyone worked together for the best deal, rather than fight among ourselves.

That is one of the most ridiculous of Leaver statements.

It is so ridiculous I don't know where to start with detailing its ridiculousness.

I don't have a problem with those who want to fight for anything they believe in Mazie but I do have a problem when one of the tactics they use is to insult those who disagree with them.

There's no evidence that Brexit will improve people's lives and no evidence to the contrary. There are politicians, economists and heads of business who say it will be a disaster and those who say it will be a positive outcome.

We don't know do we and wont know until we actually leave. I believe our future will be brighter when we're not shackled to the EU and remainers believe the opposite.

Our country would have been better served if everyone worked together for the best deal, rather than fight among ourselves.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the EU is rubbing its hands with glee, and holding on to the 'divide and conquer' rule.

I'm surprised that Leavers, having voted for a vast and radical change which will adversely affect many people's lives and which, by our own government's calculations alone (not to mention most economists and at home and internationally), will make our country poorer, think that Remainers should sit back passively and accept such a change. And be amazed that people who really, really, didn't want to leave the EU should fight very hard to reverse the decision and get rather cross with those who can give no evidence that it will improve people's lives in any way.

Yes, I know he said he'd vote remain if he had his time again, but not because he now believes Brexit would be bad for the UK, but because of the nastiness and self serving of some mostlyharmless.

Why varian? Why is it most likely that those who did consider the Irish border voted remain? Does this have something to do with your view that those who voted remain are on a higher moral and intellectual plain?

smileless I think you’re splitting hairs.
Arron Banks funded the “Leave.EU” campaign, the other main Brexit campaign was called “Vote Leave”.

In the context of corruption and chaos in the Brexit campaign (him perhaps?) he clearly said (on Andrew Marr) that he regretted voting Leave but would vote Remain “if I had my time again”.

Arron Banks appearance on the Marr Show was appalling. He came across as an inveterate liar, as he has proved to be time and time, again yet Andrew Marr let him get away with far too much.

OK he asked where the money came from several times without getting an answer, but he could have been far more probing. Yet again we have been let down by the bias of the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation.

If you agree with Greta that few voters ever considered the Irish border, yoy may be right, and it is also likely that those that did (like me) voted overwhelmingly to Remain in the EU.

Yes Greta I agree with you.

He didn't fund the leave campaign, he funded Farage, not the likes of Boris and I do think you're taking what he said out of context mostlyharmless.

He regrets the bitterness and anger that's divided the country. You only have to read some of the posts here on GN to see how the referendum result has given way to insults and rudeness. He also regrets the action and behaviour of politicians who are putting their own interests before the interests of the country as a whole. On that, and that alone I agree with him.

So Arron Banks who funded the Leave campaign to the tune of millions (possibly illegally) has said on the Andrew Marr programme this morning, that if he had the chance to vote again he would vote Remain!
He regrets that the Brexit vote was so divisive and damaging.
Oh dear! Bit late now....

Smiless, I am sure you are right, most leave voters do not want to see the break-up of the UK. However, I do not believe many leave or remain voters even considered that this could be a consequence of the UK leaving the EU. Just as I don't believe many voters had considered the Irish border.

I don't how many leave voters want to see the breakup of the UK varian, if any do at all, I can only speak for myself and I don't.

As a Scot living in a different part of the country I had no vote in the 2014 referendum. If I had been able to vote I would have voted No as I believe that Scotland should Remain in the UK and the UK should Remain in the EU.

However I think that if brexit is allowed to happen, then the SNP will have a stronger case as Scots folk voted strongly to Remain in the EU. Brexit could cause the breakup of the UK and we could end up with a border between Scotland and England. How hard the border might be would depend on treaties and regulatory alignments. I would hate to have to show my passport to enter the country of my birth. How many leave voters actually want to see the breakup of the UK?

POGS
'If' Scotland did vote for independence and then went into the eu they wouldn't have an option to join the euro, all new countries joining will have to adopt it.
Not such a good idear with the Italians putting the euro in serious jeapody

Varian

Can I ask ' What do you think of the potential for a ' hard border' between Scotland and the other UK nations if Scotland votes for ' Independence ' , remains or rejoins as a member of the EU and possibly has to adopt the Euro as it's currency.

Does your opinion hold fast given what you have said over the Ireland border?

Varian
As someone who has crossed every friction/ frictionless border on the continent of Europe, I can assure you I'm very aware of what it means.
All the 'problem' ones are mostly down to lack of technology.
The best one was going into Serbia when the border guard wouldn't recognise our green card because it wasn't green so we had to pay €125 to drive in.
Thank goodness the Romanian border guards are open to bribes that was prior to them going into the eu.

I'm sure there are plenty of those who voted for Brexit who understand the term of a "frictionless border" varian.

Your insistence that those who voted to leave are intellectually lacking really is becoming rather tiresome.

Almost everyone I know voted to leave, this includes old and young and those with manual jobs and degrees. None of the leave voters I know have changed their mind, far from it. I think both sides; leave and remain have both become more entrenched. If we had another vote and leave won again which they most likely would, what then? How many votes does leave have to win before remain voters accept they are in the minority?

I know lots of folk who voted to leave and are sorry. We didn't have the correct info. We really should not be leaving. It is so serious.

I do wonder whether any leave voters have the slightest understanding of the term "frictionless border". This video might help them.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3411815-Westministenders-Reality-Bytes?pg=7

I sometimes wonder whether remain voters who spend so much time on any thread that has anything to do with Brexit, have a rather restricted social life.

I sometimes wonder whether the leave voters who claim that everyone they know thinks the same way have a rather restricted social life, only rubbing shoulders with readers of the same newspapers.

Why are we still putting Country through pain, misery & economic uncertainty over a now flawed referendum?
No longer can it be claimed a genuine referendum based on honest democratic principles. Certainly, not one where Gov can still claim there was no undue external influence

I meant to add that I personally do not know of one person who voted to leave that would now vote remain.

I have many friends who voted remain, they are now utterly appalled at how the UK is being treated with utter distain by Juncker et al, that if there was a "People's Vote" they would vote leave.