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Boris Johnson's Latest 'Gaff'

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Lyndiloo Wed 08-Aug-18 01:26:36

Is it just me?

Watching the tv tonight and noting the 'shock-horror' over Boris Johnson's refusal to apologise for saying that women wearing the burka look like letter-boxes.

Why all the fuss? I'm sick of the media snatching odd, trivial comments and making mountains out of them! (Haven't we got more things to worry about than this?)

Yes, I suppose that comment was a bit rude. But a sacking offence? I think not.

In his defence, in his article in the The Daily Telegraph, Mr. Johnson did not support Denmark's new face-covering ban. And all this talk about him being 'Islamophobic' is completely groundless. So, he said something, publicly, that could be considered 'insensitive' by some.

But why are we all so quick nowadays to be offended by throw-away, silly, comments?

Get a life! (Or some more important news!)

PECS Fri 10-Aug-18 17:06:31

Day6 read my effing posts!
I do not like veils!!
I have said it several times but people appear so bigoted they ignore it because you want me to be saying something I am not!

I am not discussing the rights and wrongs of Burkas and NEITHER WAS JOHNSON. He was stirring the sh*t in the hope of getting racists on board with him and normalising ridiculing minority groups.. not just the few hundred women who wear veils. Burkas this week, gays, next, Jews, Black people etc etc.

www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392

MamaCaz Fri 10-Aug-18 16:57:07

So true, PECS.

I think that why Boris said what he said is much more worrying than what he said.
When I commented on this to DH, asking him why on earth BJ would say what he did, knowing what reaction it would cause, his instant reply was that BJ was copying Trump. As DH is a Trump supporter, need I say any more? hmm

A worrying sign of where British politics could be heading, I fear.

PECS Fri 10-Aug-18 16:27:21

know not now

PECS Fri 10-Aug-18 16:26:35

I can't credit that so many on hear are as politically naïve as they seem to be! Johnson is a senior politician. He also has access to a regular column in a national daily paper. What he says is never accidental. it is carefully crafted and thought through. If a friend had said it at a party after a drink or two I might say they were a daft bugger and don't be so bloody rude. But if a person of influence, with a political agenda writes it in a paper they now what a furore they will cause. It is a political strategy probably done on the advice of his new BFF Steve Bannon

www.theguardian.com/.../steve-bannon-plans-foundation-to-fuel-far-right-in-e...

GillT57 Fri 10-Aug-18 16:16:36

PECS, you are absolutely right, nothing written or said by Boris is an accident, and it certainly is not anything to do with muslim headware per se, it is all about him finally, getting the press attention he wants. I am appalled by the number of people who think it is 'PC gone made' and talk about 'good old Boris'. Watch this space, he is a nasty, manipulative piece of work with ambitions and he doesn't care who he mixes with (Bannon) or who he offends to get what he wants.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 10-Aug-18 16:15:21

If every politician was sacked for making an inflammatory or stupid (according to someone/body) remark, whether verbally or in print, who would run the country? As in my opinion every one of our existing MP's would be out of a job!!

Day6 Fri 10-Aug-18 15:06:21

"I put it to you PECS, for consideration that you are apportioning accountability for action to the wrong people. You seem to think that it is the 'other's' the ones who don't wear the Burka and veil who should change their attitudes."

Excellent post Allygran and once again it's those who voice their concerns who have more or less been told THEY are in the wrong.

I want to speak face to face with people, as is the CULTURAL NORM IN THE UK. I object strongly to people walking round in a black disguise. As others have said, men too have taken to wearing head to foot robes. We should know who is in our midst.

Given the rise in terrorism and the use of CCTV to capture suspicious behaviour, we are also thwarting the efforts of those paid to protect us if we allow certain sections of society to move amongst us incognito. A person wearing a balaclava in a crowded place would be arrested yet we allow the Muslim practice of 'disguise'. A head to to covering IS a disguise. Once again it would seem that causing offence of any sort to the Muslim community seems to be a priority. It is a conversation that is needed and many more enlightened Muslims are prepared to have it. We cannot continue to shy away from it.

Many 'liberal' countries have banned the covering of faces ie: the wearing of the burka or niqab. Angela Merkel called for a ban in Germany saying ”Show your face. The full covering is not permissible and should be banned." It is now an offence to cover the face in France, Belgium, Austria, Netherlands, Switzerland, in parts of Spain, Italy and many African countries like Chad, Cameroon, the Congo and Niger after terrorist attacks and suicide bombings. There has NOT been a Muslim backlash, perhaps because :-

"The Koran enjoins all Muslims – whether male or female – to dress modestly and refrain from revealing “any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary”.

"Beyond this general instruction, the holy book offers no specific guidance on female clothing. Its pages contain no mention of the burka or, for that matter, of the other varieties of dress that are now associated with Islam, including the hijab, or veil."

The burka has been adopted more and more because of Islamic fundamentalism, which is not something we should ignore.

"The burka is a reflection of culture rather than an accepted interpretation of Islam and it remains an alien imposition in large areas of the Muslim world."

"Since the rise of Boko Haram, it has also come to be seen as a security risk, hence the gradual spread of the ban through West Africa."

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/burka-bans-the-countries-where-muslim-women-cant-wear-veils/

Nicenanny3 Fri 10-Aug-18 14:39:31

Emily Thornberry said she wouldn't want her 4 year old looked after by somebody wearing a burka, but I suppose some think that statement is ok because she is a Labour Supporter. All this fuss about Boris is ridiculous its turned into a witch hunt by remainers to try and get rid of him because he is a threat to Theresa May but it will back fire because he is more popular than ever.

Allygran1 Fri 10-Aug-18 14:32:11

Starbox well said!

Allygran1 Fri 10-Aug-18 14:30:45

Maw we are not talking about anything other than Johnson's remark and what people think about it. PECS extended that to Brexit etc. So within the context, my Machiavelli comment still stand to PECS.

Baggs Fri 10-Aug-18 14:30:09

I think the getaway cloak idea was in that Remona Aly article as well, maw.

If she's allowed to take the piss about burqas, why isn't Boris or anyone else?

Baggs Fri 10-Aug-18 14:26:07

in order for that to be true every single woman who wears the Burkha would have to be doing so becaause she was forced to do so

I don't see the logic in that remark.

Baggs Fri 10-Aug-18 14:25:02

Apparently, five years ago Remona Aly in the Guardian wrote this as number seven out of nine ideas for a burqa:

"7. Relaunch the postbox

Since the burqa eye-opening has been called a letterbox slit, and with the privatisation of the Royal Mail, seize the moment to set up an independent mobile mail service, AKA The Burqa Post."

trisher Fri 10-Aug-18 14:18:49

Baggs in order for that to be true every single woman who wears the Burkha would have to be doing so becaause she was forced to do so. To comment on the apparel any group of women choose to wear is an attack on women. Had he made a similar comment say about teenage girls wearing skirts that barely covered their arses he would have been being sexist. He was stereoyping women in burkhas.

Jane10 Fri 10-Aug-18 14:16:06

Wow! Go Munira Mirza!

Baggs Fri 10-Aug-18 13:53:23

She

Baggs Fri 10-Aug-18 13:52:59

Sha also said: "By spinning his critique of Islamist fundamentalist practice as an ‘attack on Muslim women’ they throw moderate Muslims under the bus and empower the unrepresentative grievance mongers and extremists who masquerade as Muslim community spokesmen.' "

Baggs Fri 10-Aug-18 13:48:07

Munira Mirza: Critiquing Islamist fundamentalist practice is not an ‘attack on Muslim women’

Nicenanny3 Fri 10-Aug-18 13:42:29

Totally agree starbox.

starbox Fri 10-Aug-18 13:39:39

Totally agree! I've lost count of comments I've seen about Boris...fat buffoon, silly hair etc. And it's people's absolute right to air views and he must ignore it or respond as he sees fit. So why are burqua wearers sacrosanct?? (It's not even an 'anti-muslim' comment as most muslims don't wear one!) All of us are entitled to air our views...and burqa wearers have total freedom to shout us down. It's called democracy.

nigglynellie Fri 10-Aug-18 13:33:10

Yes you're right, people did make horrible comments and still do! That doesn't make it ok though does it?!!

Nicenanny3 Fri 10-Aug-18 13:25:48

Goodness me some people are easily offended, I mean letter box and looking like a bank robber, I've seen worse posted on GN by some of you who are highly offended now, especially after the brexit vote, swearing, insulting Theresa Mays appearance.

Jane10 Fri 10-Aug-18 13:15:40

Obviously you're fixating on the fact that it was BJ who highlighted this issue and the actual words he used. Clearly we need another thread to discuss the spread of burkas and niqabs although all the key points have been pointed out and facts regarding them fully described.
Feel free to call me a fat four eyed git. I don't mind!

nigglynellie Fri 10-Aug-18 13:12:33

Exactly Mawbroon! It's not the article that is at fault but the detrimental description of the women who wear the burka being deliberately shouted from the roof tops for the whole world to talk about, sneer about jeer about and worse! that is the issue! Thoughtful discussion is absolutely fine, personal comments are not!

MawBroon Fri 10-Aug-18 12:41:52

Boris says what the majority of the population think, he makes me cringe a lot, I hope he carries on, we need people that speak their minds

I could not agree LESS luckylegs gratuitous insults have no place either in a reputable newspaper or in public life.
The point is not his opinion about veils but that he described those who wear them as letterboxes or looking like bank robbers.
Would you accept those comments (or the equivalent) about anybody in your family? In a national newspaper?