Boris Johnson's Latest 'Gaff'

Agreed. Most Muslim women would agree, from other countries and cultures where wearing full face covering is just not the norm at all, even for older women who have done the Hadj (pilgrimage)

I do not think it is anti-muslim to be concerned about fellow women who have been cut off from normal human communication. It is very sad.

Exactly oldbatty- non of your business lemongrove, at all.
What's this, the Inquisition???

Because I prefer not to.
Quite.

Why not? Because I prefer not to.

Oldbatty you didn’t actually answer my question.If you are a Muslim and prefer to cover up when you go outside and therefore are annoyed with posts on here, why not just say so?
Or if you are not Muslim, also just say so.

"I would personally agree to all full face cover to be banned, in UK and all EU and Switzerland too. It has no place here, and no real place in Islam either. I would also ban all religious schools, ALL."

Agreed. Especially the last sentence.

Its his legs, I expect.
All hairy and pale.

I blame Boris.

What a strange conversation this is turning out to be..

They rubbed along as well as any other married couple as far as I can tell - still together after all these years

oldbatty what is your real problem? Why that remark?
phew what a relief

presumably you are in favour of arranged marriages.

Fortuntely she is very clever academically and can play the getting a good degree (or several!) card for some time.

phew what a relief

I'll have to sleep on that, jal.

Re the cultural marriage thing, yes. Minibaggs has a Hindu friend who is going to spend the next few years of her life trying to avoid being 'married off' to someone of her parents' choosing. Fortuntely she is very clever academically and can play the getting a good degree (or several!) card for some time.

Does that mean that when someone's being a Doubting Thomas he is not connected in a meaningful way
Yes, I think that would be true - to think that the principles are good but struggling with the concepts.

I seem angry....because I am and scared.

Thanks, jal. I'm not sure I agree that faith in Jesus as the Son of God is necessary to be able to "connect in a meaningful way" with what Christianity is about. I say this because many Christians have doubts and questions about what they believe or don't believe. Doesmthat mean that when someone's being a Doubting Thomas he is not connected in a meaningful way?

Baggs, just looked back and my apologies. Sorry.

My neighbour told me herself that she had "been brought" to England to marry her cousin.
That could be for cultural rather than for religious reasons.
My neighbour was brought here to be married to someone chosen for her and they were all fairly well-to-do educated people who were Hindu.

You seem to have a personal interest in this subject oldbatty are you Muslim perhaps, and if so, do you cover up when out and about?
I ask because you appear really angry, even at quite reasonable posts.

Jura, that was not my generalisation nor my anecdote.

Why do you say that, jal?
He may agree with the teachings, the principles as a way of life, but cannot connect in a meaningful way if he does not believe that Jesus was the Son of God.

jura likewise re this: Baggs, generalisations from 1 anecdotal experience or 2, are not helpful. Most Muslim would say that this comment re finding a Muslim to help instead, was unfair and stupid. All the ones I know for sure.

apologies, it was starbox

Baggs I am wondering why somebody walked by you gate saying " pity you couldn't have got a Muslim to do that" and I am asking what language they were speaking.

That was not my gate, Batty. Nor my post.