Has the referendum poisoned our society?

So are you saying there are not enough British doctors, nurses, plumbers etc?

I am perfectly sure you are not, so your argument doesn't hold water.

Anyway how about all those already here. Foreigners who are here legally have been given an assurance that they will be able to stay.

Oh jennifereccles I hope you still keep your opinion when doctors and nurses are fewer and fewer, not to mention fruit pickers care home workers, plumbers Need I go on etc etc etc

And yes the referendum has taken us back 60 years .... hideous

Thank you to those who made constructive comments, interesting that some are fed up about questions on Brexit yet, they still made a comment.
I believe Gransnet was created for older people to express their views, It was not in my view created for the expression of rudeness or insulting other people’s views.
Constructive varied views rather than negative rudeness helps to identify ways of understanding the fluctuations in the polls we so often see. Thank you to those who made the effort to respond in a courteous manner

andycameron69 Thank you! I knew there had to be somebody out there who agreed with me!

I loathe the way any talk about immigration is seen as racism.

Those immigrant communities always lived together ,I know that there are parts of Glasgow that are/were entirely irish or Jewish and it was the same in my grandparents and great grandparents time .My GGF was on the stage ,he was irish and he was subjected to the No Irish signs when he toured the country ,his son worked in the jewish community as tailoring was almost exclusively jewish in Glasgow and he moved to a jewish area .There is far more integration now in this part of the world .I do think there has always been racism but Brexit gave people a voice,they think they can say anything about anyone no matter how offensive it is and get away with it.

joelsnan
Spot on Re the elders ruling the Muslim communities.
Did you see the programme ' Lost boys: Whats going wrong for Asian men'
There was a young man who up until he went to university had not come in contact with any white English boys/men.
What the reporter was trying to understand was why the mainly Pakistani and Bangladesh boys weren't 'making it' in the world but Indian boys of all faiths were.

well said Jennifer I so agree thank you for your sensible comment

NfkDunpling
I think hatred is too strong a term.
I think there are those in our society who would prefer our society to be as it was pre war.
In early marriage I luved in a northern mill town. There was (and still is) quite a large West Indian contingent...no problems. There were/are folk from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Generally everyone got along. Although no major issues ever arose it was only when certain areas of the town became ghettoed those who once were part of the community had now created their own 'townships with male heads 'elders', many of whom couldnt speak English, attitudes began to change towards this group as their attitude towards the rest of the community also changed. The change was also felt by the other immigrant communities who had integrated far more.
I therefore feel that we should not always pile the hatred on the indigenous population, there is 'concern' throughout other sections of the communities.

Nothing to do with Brexit.

Although we are comparatively tolerant compared with other countries, racism and religious hatred have always been with us. It’s tribalism pure and simple. Remember the landlady notices in the ‘50’s? No Blacks, No Irish, etc. In our politically correct society now the sign would say - if it were allowed - No People of Colour, No Muslims. (There were few Muslims in the 1950s). It’s always been there.

I agree with what Luckygirl has just said ( in two posts)

Brexit did NOT make hating other people respectable.

I voted Leave, and yes, immigration was an important factor (but not the only one) in my decision. It is not xenophobic to know with absolute certainty that our tiny country simply cannot continue with this level of uncontrolled immigration. Saying that does not mean I hate all foreigners.

Joelsnan an observation not a desire on my part to start a new thread.

And no - I do not think that having concerns about this issue has anything at all to do with the referendum, much as I deprecate the decision to hold one.

winterwhite
but immigration arguments may fuel it and immigration was a strong driver for for many Leavers
How do you know this? Did you stand outside every polling station and ask or are you just using the same old ill -informed assumptions?

Oh dear - once again, (Boris aside - he is a bit of a buffoon!) - major inquiries into some sort of "phobia" are being demanded when people express their legitimate concerns - in this case about the security and women's freedom implications of the burka.

It is an erosion of free speech. It is not racist or objectionable to raise concerns. It is objectionable to shout abuse at people who wear the burka;but not to say that it worries you to see them.

nicenanny3
Agree JenniferEccles no new threads about the terrorist attack today because it doesn't meet some posters agenda. It's just Tory, Boris and Brexit bashing.
Feel free to start a thread.

Brexit made hating other people respectable.

As a nation we are far more tolerant than many countries within this world, we do tend to take a very parochial view of our country and many consider it the worst of worst, when actually, it's not bad.
Humans will always be wary of things that are unusual to us, that do not conform to our norms, but generally providing time is given (and this may be a long time), and there is give and take on both sides, assimmilation takes place.
Much as we imagine ourselves to be superior to all other animals on this planet there are very many similarities. You only have to watch a zoo program to see how difficult zoo keepers find introducing new members to an established group. We are no different.
Social media has enabled the pack mentality to show itself with one person posting bile and others feeling that they also then have lucense to post the same. Many would not say the things in face to face discussion.

OldMeg, we did it again ?

Agree JenniferEccles no new threads about the terrorist attack today because it doesn't meet some posters agenda. It's just Tory, Boris and Brexit bashing.

Wish it was that easy!
Fingers in ears and walk away lalala-ing!
To hell with responsibility and social conscience!

And the Christians (fed them to lions ?)

There’s always been xenophobia. We always need someone to hate or blame or to look down on. And not just us ‘Brits’ (who are a mongrel race anyway)

Muslims are just our latest hate, before that there have been the Jews, the Irish, those from the Commonwealth......hang on hasn’t Annie already made this point.

Probably the Romans looked down on the Celts.

Yes, I do think there’s more hate and intolerant talk than, say10 years ago. Don’t see it as connected with Brexit - or rather nothing to do with the EU as such, but immigration arguments may fuel it and immigration was a strong driver for many Leavers. Also trolling on social media.

niggly, the same for me, when talk of brexit crops up on the news, as it does every day, I now think - i don’t care anymore