Corbyn / BBC declare social class of employees?

Strange why Corbyn didn’t aim for teachers first, they have the next generation they can influence

There were those who thought Votes For Women would bring disaster POGS One such person was Winston Churchill he thought "women are well represented by their husbands, brothers and fathers."
No doubt he thought the frog had had it.

POGS the BBC make very few programmes now. They buy most in from production companies. The heyday when they made some of the best comedy and drama programmes ever produced are long gone. Didn't you know the entire BBC building was closed down and production ceased. The programmes are now made by a commercial company called Studio works and you can judge the resulting standard of programmes if you look up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Studioworks
I suppose you can argue that Ken Loach and Mike Leigh were middle class (certainly not upper) They might disagree with you. Their work stands for itself.

trisher

" That's a load of old tosh POGS all cultural change isn't bad".

No it is not but verging Social Engineering , using Social Class to denote whether or not an individual is the right person most certainly is.

I think you miss the point re the ' creeping' and what we have witnessed in history before.

We beg to differ once again.

trisher

"Yes of course they should, and in the past because of the way the BBC funded and financed programmes there was not only greater diversity of programme makers, but a range of award winning programmes made. "
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Interesting . How is the funding of the BBC different to the past ?

" So we had people funded through them such as Ken Loach and Mike Leigh and from this source came great drama which actually influenced and highlighted social problems. "

So the BBC in your opinion no longer produces programmes that highlight social problems?

As for Ken Loach he was grammar school educated, studied law at Oxford and is highly politically motivated. Where would he fit in o Corbyns need to know of his Social Class to make programmes for the BBC?

Mike Leigh was grammer school educated and did not go to university as far as I am aware but if I am not mistaken from his mothers side he could be classed as coming from quite a high Social Class . Happy to be corrected if I am mistaken How would he fit in to Corbyns need to know what Social Class he comes from?

So what has the Social Class of either of them have to do with their programme making. An individuals Social Class is not an indicator of the work nor beliefs that they hold as individuals and you have just made that point.

Oldwoman70 you might think so, but research says otherwise www.businessinsider.com/managers-hire-people-who-remind-them-of-themselves-2014-5?IR=T

That's a load of old tosh POGS all cultural change isn't bad and if there hadn't been any I would probably have been cleaning somewhere or serving behind a bar as my grandmother's did. In fact I probably wouldn't even be allowed a vote.

trisher no - because I look at their suitability for a job, my own background has no relevance.

Regarding the need to know an individuals Social Class I am reminded of this:-

There is an urban legend about being a frog, and it goes like this.

' If you put a frog in a pan of cold water , the frog will sit there quiet calmly until it boils to death. Creeping cultural change is like that. It's hard to spot when you are living inside it. You can stay very still while the mood of society becomes harder and uglier, telling yourself that everything is going to be fine as all around you the water begins to bubble'..

Eloethan what has your definition of class got to do with class?Your definition covers such a minute number of people in this country, may be 10,000.

What about the rest of us? The other 99.99999%.

And do you not think judging who is "the best person for the job" is influenced by your own experiences and social background Oldwoman70?

Anniebach You don't have a "mates group". That's a joke.

I don't care whose someone's parents are, what school they went to, their sexual preference or what they had for breakfast - all I want to know is whether they are the best person for the job

POGS if you read through the posts you will see I have in the past replied to you(quite politely I thought) but if you persist in behaving in such an agressive and confrontational way (and sorry I don't percieve such questioning as being polite) I don't see why I should answer alll of your questions.
But to pursue the matter of the BBC. Do I think that programmes should be made by a variety of people from all walks of life? Yes of course they should, and in the past because of the way the BBC funded and financed programmes there was not only greater diversity of programme makers, but a range of award winning programmes made. So we had people funded through them such as Ken Loach and Mike Leigh and from this source came great drama which actually influenced and highlighted social problems. We can't go back to that past where the BBC recognised and funded talent from all levels of society but we can look at what sort of people they are employing now and how that reflects on the sort of programmes they transmit.

No doubt POGS, no matter, you like me have always stood alone and not part of a ‘mates group’

I have been a parrot going on about the hard left in the eighties , it is even more of a threat now than it was then, it drove the likes of Shirley Williams and David Owen out of the party , it is happening again.

Thank you Anniebach.

No doubt now we will be accused of being ' mates ' .

I remain of the opinion asking for the BBC to declare the Social Class of employees/programme makers is a form of Social Engineering and or meddling by Corbyn/Labour to shape the BBC as they would have it be used. The BBC will only be the start and it smacks of the hard left attitudes of the 1980's .

The hypocrisy of the ' do as I say, not do as I do ' which permanently comes from Corbyn and his cohorts is there for all to see but if Tony Blair was nicknamed ' Teflon' Corbyn should be nicknamed ' Untouchable ' .

POGS, you are always polite, when I was fooled into defending Corbyn and disagreed with you , you always remained polite. When I later said how wrong I had been about Corbyn you never once posted anything but polite posts.

trisher

" The apology is accepted POGS thank you. But you have again misread my posts the reason for refusing to answer your questions was not only the apology. "

Well there you go .

As my questions were also asked prior to any latter posts that appear to have upset you so, I will see your ' refusal ' to engage with me or in anything to do with the reason why the question is being asked of the BBC or what could be the outcome of such information being held on individuals etc. etc. as rather peculiar given the point of the thread .

Choosing to avoid questions or engage with expanded opinions is your prerogative of course but I do admit to having a wry smile reading a thread of yours where you are telling those who are trying to engage with the flow of your thread and have also caused you upset to " why not start a thread? ".

As I am the OP I am saddened you cannot engage with me, not surprised for sure but I hope I have at least remained polite.

There are are a variety of views as to what class is but my understanding is that education, employment, income and levels of personal and institutional power and influence are essential elements.

We could equally say "what is social mobility" and yet it is an accepted concept. The thing about social mobility is that it not only benefits individuals but it also benefits the society as a whole. Countries that have more social mobility have higher levels of productivity and their inhabitants report greater levels of contentment. Perhaps that is because there is less sense of unfairness and people are more likely to work hard and contribute to a country which they perceive to give them the opportunity to realise whatever potential they may have.

trisher if one gender, one race, one religion, one education pattern , or only those with large incomes, prevails, you do not have diversity.

What, in this day and age, is class?

The apology is accepted POGS thank you. But you have again misread my posts the reason for refusing to answer your questions was not only the apology.

The unions dominate the Labour Party

trisher

I will apologise!

trisher I apologise for using your name when it was Varian who told the story of HER family not you.

Now will you answer the questions as you stated that was the reason why you did not?

Meaning of diversity the fact of many different types of things or people being included in something; a range of different things or people:
It has everything to do with class. If one class predominates the organisation is not diverse.

trisher what you are talking about is diversity, which is nothing to do with class.

Money buys privilege. The parents who can subsidise unpaid interns, or help someone poorly paid find lodging in an expensive area, or pay for private education. All these make it easier for young people to get into the media - and this thread is about entry to the BBC.