Corbyn / BBC declare social class of employees?

POGS you said trisher

I should have said father in law not father.

I remain confused however. You said:-

"In the 1940s my Scottish FIL applied for a job in England, and filled in the application form truthfully saying he had attended XXX public school."
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Public Schools / Independant Schools are fee paying private education establishments to my knowledge.^
None of these things apply to me. As you don't even know who I am or what I have posted I see no purpose in discussing things with you. You are so busy trying to think up questions you have no time to read and understand answers.
I engage with people who read and reply sensibly to my posts.

trisher

I thought my post to you at 10:46:29 today was polite in format and I do not feel I owe you an apology for anything .

I do not have a concern that you will not engage with my posts nor expand your comments in line with my OP regarding the BBC and why those employed by the BBC have so far been singled out by Corbyn/Labour Party, not neccesarily for their educational background but their Social Class.

I think posters will / can make their own minds up over your wanting both an apology from myself and refusal to engage . Sorry but not surprised is all I can add.

M0nica it really isn't anything to do with money. It is about ensuring that a balanced and wider view of society is presented than that which comes out when one section of society dominates. So we had for years underrepresentation of ethnic minorities, gay people and the disabled. That is now being addressed, the next step must be to address the real life experiences of all candidates and ensure a proper mix. Such actions do not damage the media, rather they enrich it.

Money envy, not class envy

I don't see why lemon the other poster involved was apologised to, I on the other hand was subjected to a barrage of questions which, if somenone doesn't even recognise my posts, I feel under no obligation to answer. (And what on earth has it got to do with you!!!)

Class envy seems to still be around and people are brooding on it.... Corbyn for one.

how very petty trisher !

I would POGS but as you have so often mixed me up with another poster and never apologised to me I really don't see why I should.

trisher

I have noted throughout the thread how you come to your conclusion re the educational system and your view that only those from the top of the Social Class or have wealth are given places.

Do you have any answers to the questions raised Wed 29-Aug-18 10:52:57 as an example.

I am interested to know why you believe Social Class is the criteria not an individuals political persuasion, sexual orientation, race etc. to be considered as a question to ask employees of the BBC for the purpose of ' transparency'.

I am interested to know if you believe Corbyn/Labour should lead by example and make all Labour Party employees and Shadow Cabinet/MP's declare their Social Class if it is an indicator of how an individual performs or fits in, whatever the ruddy reason Corbyn/Labour wants know . If not why not?

I am interested to know what you think should happen once an individual at the BBC has declared his/her Social Class? There must a reason for asking in the mindset of those who want to know. What do you believe this pool of information gives rise to?

I am interested to understand why I am wrong in feeling this is a precursor to Social Engineering on the part of Corbyn/Labour using a persons Class. Class Warfare.

I am interested to know if you believe an individual is better than another because of his/her class for the purpose of making programs for the BBC and if so why.

If you have the time to expand beyond the education system and stick with the question of the BBC and declaring their Social Class , why you feel Corbyn/Labour are asking this question and what the outcome would/could be I for one would be interested to know more of your thoughts .
Thank you.

POGS I have never said the richest can get into Eton The class system which still exists at higher levels in Britain manages to restrict entry to the very best public schools to those who have firstly the right aristocratic connections, preferably a dad and grandad who went there, and then the money to pay for it. Only having the last qualification is no guarantee of a place. Of course money buys you lesser public schools.
As I am English and have no Scottish connections I refer to fee-paying schools as 'public' and state funded schools as "state'. Of course there are now academies which is a whole new area!

That's Ok Jalima1108 I was imagining all sorts of under cover connections I'm a bit disappointed it's a mix-up. My imaginings were so much better

trisher
I should have read the posts, I got when Corbyn was mentioned again.
It's been a long day (and not over yet)

OK POGS I accept your apology.

There are many folk in England who do not realise that a "public school" in Scotland means a state school, where everyone can have a free education. In England it means an education at a school only availabkle to the priveleged few who can pay the high school fees.

Sorry Jalima could you explain how XXXpublic school became Haberdasher's Adams? Or have you some secret connection with Varian's FIL?

Oh POGS the whole point was he wasn't educated in what we call a public school but in a state school!
Haberdasher's Adams was a voluntary aided school at that time.
It is now a selective grammar school.

Varian

I owe you an abject apology I have indeed mixed up posters.

Having fell foul of this myself I appreciate how annoying this can be. Please accept my apology , I have nothing more to offer.

trisher

I should have said father in law not father.

I remain confused however. You said:-

"In the 1940s my Scottish FIL applied for a job in England, and filled in the application form truthfully saying he had attended XXX public school."
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Public Schools / Independant Schools are fee paying private education establishments to my knowledge.

Education establishments you are repeatedly railing against and believe to be , using your own words , " a selection process at work in education which has nothing to do with ability but with family and money ".

I am concerned that the question is being asked what a persons Social Class has to do with anything and I have just fell foul of my own opinion by asking about your family but you raised your family into the thread and I am intrigued where you get your opinions from which are in polar opposite positions dependent on what you post.

Another opposite of where you have stated your opinion , again I use your own words , " Even the richest can't get into Eton sometimes ".

According to you the richest most certainly can and do get into Eton and I am glad you accepted that is not the case.

I am wondering POGS whether you are confusing me with another poster. I have not really expressed an opinion on Corbyn, BBC, social class etc except to say that most ordinary young folk without the help of the bank of Mum and Dad, could not afford to do unpaid work in London.

As for my FIL, he was never sure whether his "public school" education was a factor in his getting the job but he suspected it might have been as his English colleagues all assumed that "public school" meant the same thing in Scotland that it did in England. People like to have colleagues who are like themselves. That was a long time ago and I've no idea how much these attitudes might still prevail.

Incidently, I do agree with you about the hypocracy of Labour politicians who campaign against selective and private schools yet chose them for their own children.

Oh POGS the whole point was he wasn't educated in what we call a public school but in a state school!

Varian

I doubt you will give an answer as none have come forth so far to many points raised.

You do confuse me as to how you come to adopt your opinon reading your latest revelation I have to say.

So where would your father sit with regard to your previous posts?

If he was public school educated and working for the BBC would he be from the right Social Class or wrong Social Class to be acceptable for employment in the eyes of
Corbyn / Labour.

In Scotland, as in the USA a public school is a school for the general public (as opposed to a private school which charges fees).

In the 1940s my Scottish FIL applied for a job in England, and filled in the application form truthfully saying he had attended XXX public school.

He got the job, quite a senior position for which he was well qualified by dint of his professional qualifications, and it was only some months later when one of his snootier colleagues patted him on the shoulder and said "We public school chaps must stick together" that the penny dropped!

trisher, did I say you had said those comments? No

Annie have I said i am in favour of grammar schools? -No!
Have I said I am in favour of selection-No!
But I do realise that there is a selection process at work in education which has nothing to do with ability but with family and money.(Even the richest can't get into Eton sometimes). Whilst I would be delighted to see the system changed, it is unlikely to be changed in the near future and until it is I think the public schools have a duty to reach out to the less fortunate.

trisher, my grandson was recommended for sitting the scholarship exam to the boys public school in this town, that was 15 years ago. He had the choice , his choice was no, he wanted to go to the high school with his friends, a wise decision.

I am against grammer schools , my grandchildren have certaintly achieved much from going to the Comp and encouragement from their parents and grandmother.

Varian

You haven't answered any of the questions I have been asking though.

Many posters have mentioned the Grammar School ,. Privately educated who went on to Oxford/Cambridge /Harvard et al but they also blindly assume they did so because of the Social Class of their parents.

That is not only rubbish it is showing a persons education is not really of interest but the Social Class of a person is. Why?

I can see no reason why a person who has had for arguments sake a Grammar/Private/University education should be viewed as different species because of their Social Class.

I don't care about a persons Social Class as it does not necessarily tell me what the heart and soul of a person may be, that is of more interest . I dislike and will call out somebody who ' tells ' others not to send their children to a Grammar or Private School and do so themselves. They are hypocrite's of the 1st order and even those hypocrite's are not confined to their Social Class.