Frank Field

Well said Nellie.

Let’s not forget that the gas chambers were the ‘final solution’ and the anti Semitic behaviour of the Nazis began in 1933, it took until 1942 for the ‘final solution’ to be implemented. There was first vilificationof the Jews, followed by various laws which very gradually, over years, stripped the them of their rights. I think that it is entirely possible that Margaret Hodge was referring to the gradual vilification of Jewish people that occurred in Germany, and much later in Poland and other occupied territories. She is comparing what happened first, but of course we all know what happened later. It was a process of gradual persecution, so many did not realise the danger. This process is what Margaret Hodge is referring to in my opinion. No one with any sense can believe that today’s anti Semitic behaviour could lead to death camps in Britain, but underlying anti semitism is what is being referred to.

Neither DH or I have visited any of the death camps but we have visited Oradour-Sur-Glane about 10 years ago while staying with my SIL who at that time lived in the area. We started off gaily enough, it was a lovely day and we took a picnic! By the time we left all of us were absolutely shattered at what we had seen and heard. It was a shocking, shocking business, and the sight of bullet holes and scorch marks in the church tiny abandoned shoes an old car, pram, and on it went, all left exactly as it was at the end of that appalling day all those years ago. The death camps of course are far worse by comparison but if I'd had relatives murdered in this awful way by that terrible regime, I too would be very nervous of people shouting semitic abuse at me.

I am watching it to

I am watching Dateline on BBC and the vilification of Frank Field is coming from Yasmin Alibhai-Brown , no surprise .

Thank goodness another panelist said he did not recognise her description.

Why POGS? Because the extreme left are now in control of the party and extreme left party members will defend every lie which comes from them.

Give up trisher, Margaret did not use the death camps.

I see you still haven't answered the question Annie just made it personal again so I will repeat it. Does it show respect to use the experiences of people who died under the Nazis to criticise the way you are being treated by the political party you belong to?
Missed out democratic for you!

Question

Frank Field is being vilified for being a Brexiter.

Corbyn remains a hero yet he was for decades a well known anti EU MP until he became Labour Leader and lost his principle presumably and now backs Remaining in the EU.

WHY

Corbyn is a supposed ' Man of Principle' a ' Conviction Politician' and is feted by his followers.

Frank Field is being vilified because he is doing the exact same.

WHY

How many times have we had threads covering so many topics and it has been said our MP's should vote with their conscience/ vote in accordance with their constituency voters.

Well Frank Fields constituency of Birkenhead voted :-
Birkenhead

Leave – 21,787 (51.7%)
Remain – 20,348 (48.3%)

I hope if/when Frank Field is booted out he decides to stand as an Independent and the constituency of Birkenhead vote for him in in droves. No doubt the vote for a monkey in a@#£@& flag will win but at least he can hold HIS head high in my book at least.

Hypocrisy abounds in Corbyn Labour.

I have no wish to join them trisher, and your comments telling me to leave the party , questioning my commitment to the true Labour Party seems like momentum bullying . I could suggest you join the communist party but respect your freedom to choose which party you join.

David Blunkett has now voiced his opinions on the bullying, in the party , another MP has said he is now considering leaving the party.

I experienced bullying from the extreme left in the eighties so nothing you say surprises me.

Of course she is free to say what she wants Annie just as I am free to examine her motives.

Then join them Annie you have no committment or interest in the labour movement anymore so why hang on? Many of us left when Blair hi-jacked the party. I notice you are as usual trying to deflect from the question I assume that is because actually you know it isn't showuing respect and it was done for political gain.

Does not a democracy allow freedom of speech?

Democratic Party? No longer . A Democratic Party would not allow bullying and threats and racism. Members of a Democratic Party are free to speak out, the Tory party is more democratic than the Corbyn/Momentum Party.

I was wondering if someone could explain to me how it is respecting and honouring those who died in camps and ghettos under the Nazis to use that experience to criticise the way a democratic party deals with a complaint against you? It seems to me a way of cheapening the whole thing for political gain.

In 1970 S O Davies MP for Merthyr was de selected because of age, he stood as Independant Socialist. just a couple of years before he had battled with Wilson for making the people of Aberfan pay towards removal of the tips and with the unions for keeping Lord Roberns in his job regardless that he lied about the tip.

Davies was returned as MP. I hope the voters of Frank Fields constituency do the same as we did and remember the good Frank has done for them.

I’ve read a few biographies about Jewish people who were in the camps and also those those who evaded capture by hiding or living as a none Jew, always afraid of being denounced. I have visited Germany many times, and although I love the country, it always goes through my mind, how could the ordinary people have supported this policy. Of course, that’s simplistic, they didn’t really have a choice, and many didn’t support it, and of course, across the world, not just Germany, there was always an undercurrent of anti semitism. That’s why so many countries, including ours, despite the Kinder Transport, refused to take many Jews as refugees. It’s a complicated subject. But when I visit Germany ( my last visit in February of this year) I do wonder.

Yes Annie, you’re right, Corbyn lost, however small the government’s majority, he still lost!

Yes oldbatty, I have visited several of the Nazi concentration camps, and you’re right, none of us could ever get our heads around them, the whole policy is so far from any of our experience, thank goodness.

Why does Frank Field have to explain why he is a Brexiteer? I thought we all had a free vote, including politicians.

It seems to me that Frank Field was one of the most respected politicians by both the public and his colleagues in the House of Commons. The whole sorry story is so very sad. What an indictment of our politics and our society.

When I watch a documentary on those camps I still feel such despair, can’t imagine how I would feel if my granny and extended family had died in them. It must affect your whole life.

I doubt any of us can really " get our heads round" the Nazi death camps.

Corbyn lost.

Cindersdad quote [With Jeremy Corbyn as leader Labout will never be acceptable to the majority of the country despite the ineptitude of the present government.] end quote

Well, I seem to recall that the 2017 was called by TM because the Tories had a twenty point lead over Labour in the opinion polls and that no one would vote for Corbyn in the election.

I seem to recall further that the Conservative party lost their overall majority in that election because so many voters backed Corbyn and his party.

He may be out of the party in two weeks Cindersdad, if there is a by election and Corbyn/Momentum win, all hope of a strong oposition lost.

Think much will depend on the vote next week. Not coincidence that Frank Field spoke out days before the vote.

Thank you PECS

I generally agree with Frank Field except that he is a Brexiteer who is yet to explain why.

His stand against the anti-semitism and left wing bullying in the Labour party provides a ray of hope in the demise of Momentum and Jeremy Corbyn as leader. With Jeremy Corbyn as leader Labour will never be acceptable to the majority of the country despite the ineptitude of the present government.