Should the electorate have the final say on Brexit?

Nandalot it was on Twitter today, I am sorry, but I really am a complete technophobe.

But May is acting upon it. So why shouldn’t another vote go ahead? . If you really believe in the “will of the people “ you should be in favour of as many votes as possible.

I wish you were able to paste the link to that poll Grannygravy. The only one I can find with those sorts of figures was in early June. www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Brext-Trade-180601_FT.pdf

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Of course it would be a useless exercise. Those who voted remain on this site are forever reiterating their believe that a referendum is only ever advisory. If this is truly the case then why bother if it’s results should not be acted upon. Or is it the case that a referendum is only valid if it achieves the anticipated outcome Remainers desire?

How can it be a useless exercise to review any situation involving a critical decision with more knowledge at our disposal? I would say in all aspects of life from political to family and personal life, it is wise to review before plunging into life-changing decisions. Surely we know more than we did, whether you still wish to leave/remain and could make a more informed judgement about the impact now.

GrannyGravy yes, looks like the results would be the same if there was a re run of the referendum, maybe even more for Leave!
A pointless excercise.

It is a sign of how desperateleavers are thatthere only responseto another public vote is that it might not deliver aremain verdict. What if it doesn't? We will be in the same situation we are now but with more known and a greater understanding of what is involved. The only reason for a leaver to oppose another vote is because they realise Remain will win.

People believe we have been "bullied" when the EU stated clearly what would be acceptable from day 1 and the UK succession of useless "negotiators" have prevaricated, made u turns, and fails to put any plan forward for 2 years.

If they did have another referendum what would the question be?

What would hapen if the leave vote increased?

All the people wanting a second referendum seem to think the vote would be to abandon Brexit and stay in the EU.
I am not convinced that would be the case after the awful way the EU have bullied us in the negotiations.

Would the remainers then want yet another referendum until we voted "the right way"?

UK delta poll 48% remain -2%
52% leave +2% polled 26-28/11

I voted leave but I am surprised at this.

Sorry I am a technophobe so cannot post a link, but I am sure one of the tech savvy gransnetters should be able to.

The other EU countries want us to stay. I hope we can remain on the same advantageous terms we have now, but that may not be possible. We would certainly have to apologise for the colossal amount of time and money we have all wasted over the last two years and our reputation may never recover.

But can we ever go back to the status quo before the triggering of Article 50? Can we say sorry , we've changed our minds, can we still stay?
I think this has been discussed before on here, and the answer wasn't very encouraging.

But three former Labour foreign secretaries have warned of the damage to British influence around the world if the UK leaves the EU.

David Miliband, Jack Straw and Margaret Beckett told the Financial Times they all backed the People's Vote campaign for another referendum.

Mr Straw told the BBC he believed there was a "huge appetite" among the public to have their say again. "At the moment, people are having to go sullenly to accept the situation is as it is - not remotely anticipated by the Brexiteers nor anything like that which was promised," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46394431

Although the financial analysis of the brexit scenarios makes an overwhelming case for remaining in the EU, it is not just the damage to our future prosperity which matters.

These three well respected former foreign secretaries understand the importance of our position in the world in a way which the appalling Boris Johnson never did.

If our MPs cannot protect us from such damage by rejecting brexit, we will have to have a People's Vote, but this time people must be properly informed.

"I just hope when this nightmare is over we can gradually repair our reputation but it will take a very long time."
Amen to that Varian.

Even if we decide to Remain, we will never be as well off financially as we would have been without this brexit nonsense, but at least the damage would be limited.

Any brexit is much worse than remaining and it is just awful that we have had to waste so much time and money, and forced the rest of the EU to do the same on this utter fiasco. The least we owe them is an abject apology.

Of course our standing in the world has been irrevocably damaged and may never recover and it will always be much more difficult for us to trade successfully because we have become such a pathetic laughing stock of a country. I just hope when this nightmare is over we can gradually repair our reputation but it will take a very long time.

I feel giving the people the opportunity to vote on something that the majority didn’t really understand was ridiculous. Why even think of giving them a vote on yet another issue most don’t understand.

No matter what the terms of exit, we are going to be in a worse place. Life will go on but it probably won’t get back to a good economic place during my lifetime. It wo t affect me so. Icy, but it will affect the next generation.

There are no winners in divorce and boy oh boy this divorce is a costly one .... and a messy one!

I wish Yvette Cooper had won the Labour leadership vote. She reads the situation so well. imo, and isn't afraid to speak out:
www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1813662/Video-Labours-Yvette-Cooper-calls-PMs-bluff-no-deal-Brexit-plans.html

Although until now Jeremy Corbyn has been as anti-People's Vote as Theresa May, and some think that he is trying to skupper its chances by taking part in a tv debate, Robert Peston thinks that he may well change his tune.

"According to senior Labour sources, Corbyn is close to agreeing that shortly (days) after the loss of the meaningful vote by May, he would formally make his party the champion of another referendum or People’s Vote - on the basis that if there is no consensus in parliament on what comes next, the question has to go back to the people.

At this conjuncture, there might well be a clear parliamentary majority for such a referendum - with the choice between May’s deal (as the only negotiated deal) and remaining in the EU - if the Tory MPs who currently say they back a plebiscite stick to their guns."

www.itv.com/news/2018-11-27/how-fast-will-corbyns-labour-champion-a-peoples-vote/

Who puts faith in any polls, look what happened at the last election

The YouGov survey of more than 25,000 people revealed that a majority of voters in all 67 of the most vulnerable Tory seats now want the public to be given a new vote.

The survey for the People’s Vote campaign found that, across all 67 seats, an average of 56% of people want the public to be given a final say compared to 44% who do not.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/voters-in-swing-tory-seats-back-new-brexit-referendum-study-shows-1-5776828

And if we have a second referendum it will be on what? This agreement is the legal framework for leaving the EU not the eventual trade deal will there then be a further referendum on that and every trade deal thereafter. The first referendum should never have happened, its conception in the Conservative party politics split over Europe from Thatcher to Cameron. Fear of losing votes to UKIP drove the promise to hold a referendum, and they didn't get the result expected hence the chaos now, still split still squabbling. Party before country. Come 2021 the next general election we will have who knows in power, Not the Conservatives and possibly not labour. Probably another coalition curbing the power of the big parties and then smaller parties holding the cards. Think DUP/SNP.

Leaving EU is a huge legal undertaking, currently legal commitments to be honoured hence the €39million. Huge swathes of trade standards research funding, security, nuclear alliance, energy, transport safety, supplies entwined with EU now have to be considered. Does the a average person understand this enough to vote on it. Or will we be taken in by slogans on buses making promises that are untrue. I despair.

The validity of the Sky poll has been questioned today by several media sources.

makes you wonder if the "carefully selected sample" you refer to varian was selected because they want to remain.

SKY polled over half of Britons ?

Leaving the EU will deprive Britain of its real power to influence, guide, and advise the EU. Many older people voted to leave because they think that Britain is still a major global power, which is not so. Britain is a power only if Britain is allied with the rest of Europe legally and commercially.