Call off the dogs Corbyn

Ah so Frank Field is allowed ideals but the young aren't. He was expelled because his vote helped keep this Tory government in power.

Why doesn’t Corbyn get off his fence and get involved with Brexit. He has always supported out as Frank Field has . There can be no defence for his silence . In or out Corbyn?

That describes Frank Field and he has been expelled from the party because he followed his principles

You become a Man when you follow ideals in life.
You become a Man when you follow principles in life.
You become a Man when you help the needy.
You become a Man when you stand up for the underprivileged.
You become a Man when you don't chase money, or wealth or glamour.
You become a Man when you don't chase happiness.
You become a Man when you chase your goals and dreams in life.
You become a Man when you don't ever quit the struggle.
You become a Man when you never ever give up!”
― Avijeet Das

I expect Corbyn and Momentum say the same trisher.

Thank goodness for.the young!

More the lack of trust in the Tory government , Fact a large number of new labour members are young people who have no knowledge of the damage of a far left party controlled by unions . No knowledge of the seventies and eighties . Why did Corbyn choose to appear at Glastonbury, why does he speak to the young so often. The young are guilable, they think they can save the world.

That may well be one reason Annie I wouldn't deny it, but nor should you dismiss the influence of Corbyn and the resurgence of left wing ideas.

Really Trisher? Yet we read posts saying vote for the MP who works for your constituency.

It means more people support Corbyn Annie or didn't you think of that?

An increase in a majority means nothing?

The fact that Joan Ryan increased her majority means nothing. I'm not much of a fan of my local MP but it was important that I vote for her because not to do so would have risked losing a Labour seat and would be used to claim that Corbyn was responsible for the loss. There were many Labour voters I know who felt similarly.

Just listened to Frank Field, he has been in talks with the Arch Bish of Canterbury, suggested the Cof E buy the Wonga loan book.

What a loss to the Labour Party.

Joan Ryan knew her constituents, to increase her majority by over 10,000 she certaintly got something right ,

having the largest number of party members doesn’t secure a general election win, it’s reaching out across the country to voters

before begging local residents to vote for her despite "misgivings about the Labour leadership". Is it any wonder that many Labour Party members do not trust people who make such statements before a general election.

As she increased her majority in 2017 by 10,247,perhaps her words struck a chord with the voters of her constituency ie the 'ordinary people who may not be Labour Party members but who want to vote Labour?

Rt. Hon Joan Ryan MP is the Labour Member of Parliament for Enfield North. Joan was re-elected in the 2017 General Election with an increased majority of 10,247. She regained the seat in the 2015 General Election, having previously served as the representative for the constituency from 1997 to 2010.
She regained the seat from the Tory in 2010.

Perhaps she is not the one out of step with what the public wants.

I've not been on Gransnet for a couple of weeks but was not surprised to see yet another thread having a go at Corbyn.

Isn't it about time someone turned their attention to the mess that this Conservative government is making of the EU negotiations and just about everything else?

It's a pity Chuka Umunna didn't have the staying power to continue with his bid to be leader - standing down only four days after putting his name in the hat. His reason that he hadn't anticipated The "intensified media pressure" sounded pretty unconvincing to me. But no doubt he was right to withdraw. Corbyn has been villified from day one and after only four days Mr Umunna chickened out.

It is not surprising that Labour Party members are dissatisfied with the way some of their Labour MPs have represented the party. For instance, in the lead up to election day, Joan Ryan sent a letter to constituents saying most people have more confidence in Theresa May as Prime Minister than Jeremy Corbyn. She also said that polls were showing the Conservatives heading for a "large majority" and that "no one thinks Theresa May will not be Prime Minister", before begging local residents to vote for her despite "misgivings about the Labour leadership". Is it any wonder that many Labour Party members do not trust people who make such statements before a general election.

MI5 claim Michael Foot was a Russian spy

Apologies, that should read state above not stare.

Long day.

Trisher quote [I have never as you imply regarded Corbyn as a 'messiah'. I am pleased that the Labour party has managed to return to the principles it was built on.]End quote

What you have stated above trisher is precisely my own position. I believe that Corbyn has led the Labour party poorly regarding Brexit and the antisemitism issues.

However, the Labour Party position on the Gig Economy and further restrictions on Zero Hours Contracts are true Labour and could benefit many employers who wish to offer good employment terms and conditions to their employees. It is only Labour who are committed to ending "the race to the bottom".

As you stare trisher true Labour, who have returned to policies that will benefit all in the UK, not just the few.

Yes OldMeg unfortunately you are much too highbrow for GN how can mere mortals keep up?
Of course you have debated with the best and no doubt at Oxford or Cambridge.
Get over yourself.

And, as such I will take my own advice to trisher ........ and I could probably write the next few posts as predictability is guaranteed and originality a rare quality.

Indeed we might, because that is how it seems to be these days, but of course we wouldn’t actually say that.

Yes, I’ve debated with the best and I don’t mind admitting it. We were actually taught the rules of debate at school and then used these to good purpose at Uni.

Spit and fuss as much as you like, but you can hardly think that this is anything but puerile.

So you ( of course) OldMeg are one of the elite top class debaters on GN I suppose? When are posters going to stop
Using this tired old comment about others on here, loftily saying ‘debate is impossible’ ( they may as well add ‘you plebs’)

I’d give up if I were you trisher. You’ve put your 6 points very clearly and succinctly and that’s all you can do. I have read them. Good points all of them.

To be dismissed as elitist, know-it-all, etc. only proves your point. I would actually say that it is impossible to get a decent political debate going on GN any more. Those with the capacity have simply bowed out of the political threads, and who can blame them?

Perhaps, then, it is not the message (which I have linked to on another thread a while ago) - it is the messenger(s) which is/are the problem, as so many in the country seem to distrust him/them- amongst them life-time Labour supporters whom I know.