Call off the dogs Corbyn

I don't think you even had a clue what I was talking about, Ab.

niggly, I must be sooo clever to produce that video, find s Corbyn lookalike and sound like chap, write the script for him and film it ?. I never post lies

Thanks for that info annie, such a relief!!! ??

Corbyn on the wreath laying

youtu.be/5tUPN2ZSwHc

trisher , there are videos on line of Corbyn saying what I have posted

Once again you misread Annie YOU say not Corbyn. Still enjoy your discussion with yourself.

trisher I have posted what Corbyn said , you say this doesn’t make it true, yet say he speaks openly and honestly .

Because POGS we have a parliamentary democracy which one man no matter what his beliefs cannot over turn even if he wanted to (which I don't believe he does). And all these hard left/Korea/Marxist fantasies are just that fantasies.
Annie could we try moving on and discussing policies rather than having the same argument again and again. Just because you say something many times doesn't make it true.

niggly, I shall have a glass of Ensure for lunch ?

Corbyn speaks honestly and openly? So anti semetism does exist in the party, he said he was going to stamp it out, yet the far left here claim the anti semetism is a lie by the Tory press.

When asked about the wreath laying for terrorists he said ‘ I don’t know if I was involved ‘ !

When he said ‘Chavez and Msduro were shining examples of the change he wanted to see in the world , a vision to be
Replicated in this country.

When he says talking to both sides is the only way to peace , but chooses to talk only to the side he agrees with.

Grandad, why do you persist in personal details? Not sure that many of us on here are interested in your retirement plans still less that you're being taken to a top hotel restaurant in North Somerset!! Why on earth should we be? Perhaps it's your way of letting us know what a popular chap you are?!!! Again why on earth would we care one way or the other!!

trisher

Why is it scaremongering when for example John McDonnell states he is a Marxist, called for 'insurrection' and brings Mao's Little Red Book into Parliament and says Das Kapital is his book of choice?

maddyone thank you for your comment about Blair and his money grubbing. Those who are now dismissing Corbyn should realise that his success is probably the direct result of the Blair take over of the party. Blair was the manufactured, macheivelian leader, the PR man's dream. I watched his radio interview on TV and even in the studio he was making the hand gestures he has been trained to do. Corbyn speaks honestly and openly with real sincerity. That combined with real policies that support proper care, public services and human rights is why he is successful. And all the scaremongering about communism and far-left comments is an attempt to undermine tose policies by people who apparently don't know what policies they really want to see.

Are you due to retire in the very near future grandad1943?

Sorry you avoided a direct yes or no to my question asking for a yes or no. Avoidance again perhaps.

Good post POGS.

Corbyn keeps saying how many members are now in the Labour Party, an insignificant number compared to the number of people who vote. Having campaigned at so many general elections what one hears on the door step is so different to what one hears in ones own local party meetings

I am surprised anniebach that you seem to be unaware of the role the Aberfan tragedy played in the creation of the Health & Safety at Work Act

I believe that a large number of Conservative MPs opposed the bill in parliament and that Lord Robens played a significant role in placating those MPs in finally agreeing to accept the legislation.

If any forum member has further information on the above I would be interested, as I may be wrong in my recollections of that matter.

Anyway we are off for a good Sunday lunch with others in our business to discuss my forthcoming retirement. I have some suspicions here as they have booked one of the top hotel restaurants in North Somerset for this.

Deciding a political parties ' policies ' that chime with an individual is of course of great importance but there is also another side as to why we vote too.

Who/what we vote for can be formed in our mind by understanding the history of the party and those who lead it. We are also continually forming an overview of what a party stands for and how it is going about it's business.

As for policies voters may or may not view whether or not a party will suit them regarding say Trident and defence of the realm.

Some voters may or may not believe in a Marxist or Capitalist economy .

I could go on but the reason people vote is not necessarily wholely related to ' policy ' unless you hold an extremely strong ideology and will not be shifted . The average voter is not ideologically driven and there may be bits of one party they like and a touch of the other that chimes with them.

There is the majority of voters of course and they are the ' silent majority ' and they hold no allegiance to any particular party but will be watching how parties and politicians conduct themselves and it will be interesting to see how they vote in the next General Election as the gulf between the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Labour Party and the Conservatives is as big , possibly even bigger now than in the 1980's.

It will also be interesting to see if the old saying ' vote for a pig in a #### coloured rosette ' will apply also.

Thank you for replying, I do not agree, and you are so wrong to say I am more concerned with Robens than seeing those little bodies being dug out by their fathers and grandfathers. I have had to live with what I saw and heard that day.

I suggest you read the enquiry into the disaster and the aftermath, keeping Robens in his job was not justice for my village.

I am surprised with you knowledge of unions since their foundation you know nothing of their actions following the disaster .

Anniebach you seem far more concerned with Robens and his position after the disaster than the disaster itself. Whether Robens kept his job or not would have been a decision of government being it was a nationalised industry.

What role the Unions played in all that I would not know.

I would have thought you would have been interested in how that terrible tragedy played a part in bringing forward the Health & Safety at Work Act and engaged in a discussion in that.

For the creation of the HASAWA was the greatest tribute to those children that died in the disaster that this nation could possibly give.

Predictable posts annie, ruffled feathers from Grandad!! Your theory is of course correct, your empathy zilch. A tiny bit of sympathy for those poor bereaved families might have been in order, but hey ho, it was a long time ago and we must all move on!!
While the Conservatives do at times fill me with despair, the present Labour party actually fill me with fear.
Brilliant that Mrs May can poke gentle fun at herself! It's brightened my day!! ?

Were the unions right to keep Robens in his job , yes or no grandad1943?

nigglynellie, anniebach I believe I should receive an apology from each of you regarding your stating that I had shown a " cavalier attitude" to the Aberfan disaster.

I have worked the last 35 years of my life in Industrial Safety trying to prevent accidents occurring in the workplace. Therefore to state what you have I find totally offensive.

My above quote regarding what I have stated on the Aberfan disaster proves I believe my point

grandad1943 were the Unions right to keep Robens in his job? It can only be yes or no surely.

It was the trade unions which kept Robens in his job.

To those who state that I have shown a " cavalier attitude to the Aberfan disaster, here is what I have stated on that terrible disaster. Quote begins here:-
Aberfan was many years before the Blair government era and eight years before the Health and Safety at Work Act came into being which would have in all probably prevented the disaster.

Without a doubt, had the Health & Safety at Work Act been in force at the time of the Aberfan disaster then Robens and many others would have lost their jobs and much more.

However, as I have already stated had the Act been in force in 1966 then it is almost certain the disaster would not have occurred. In that, risk assessment is at the very heart of the HASAWA, and under that legislation, risk assessments would have been carried out on those waste tips which would have undoubtedly brought forward the dangers they held.

Since the HASAWA was brought into being workplace accidents, have been reduced by 86% and that on the back of an ever-growing workforce.

It was the trade unions placing pressure initially on the Wilson government that brought the act into being. Therefore many working people have since its inception returned home from their employment safe and unharmed each day because of trade union presence and pressure on government.
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I would ask where is the Cavalier attitude in the above.