Call off the dogs Corbyn

We know.

Just read Theresa May tweeted she was watching Strictly and if anyone wanted tips to get in touch ?, I do like this woman.

Annie get real. What about that was a ‘great post’? As Grandad has pointed out it was inaccurate, and TBF it reeked of little old lady conservatism.

The only reason you think it’s great is because it’s backing up your own conservative fears and because she lauded you.

And that’s exactly the attitude that landed us with Theresa May.

Strong and stable! Not on your Nellie nigglynellie

niggly, great post , yes grandad1943 dismisses Aberfan with ‘ bad luck it happened in 1966’ and ignores the fact his adored union power drove some union members to take their own lives, and wants that same power back.

The far left here choose to accept the racism and bullying in the party, they are intelligent people so it seems they choose to ignore it or support it because racism and bullying does exist in the Labour Party.

Would any forum member care to point out when on this forum I have stated I wish to see "union power controlling a government" .

Nothing to do with me of course, but reading these posts on here , I'm increasingly appalled at the attitude of the far left. J.C is obviously being used as a means to an end and will be ditched as soon as his usefulness is clearly obsolete, the moderates in the LP seem as if they are completely helpless and in the grip of a pack of wolves determined to tear them to pieces, and it would appear that this is something nothing and nobody can prevent. Grandad, your insensitive almost cavalier attitude to the tragedy of Aberfan which does, perhaps surprisingly to some who have perhaps have lead a relatively tragedy free life, still haunt people all these years later and will continue to do so. The disgraceful behaviour at the death of Tessa Jowell by momentum's brave (?!) young warriors, the vicious vilification of Frank Field the loathing of anyone even remotely connected to Israel (there are other states in the world equally awful who never get a mention Venezuela comes out mind, not to mention N.Korea, human rights in China and a host of others who curiously seem perfectly ok!!!) is increasingly horrible. annie, I fear you are virtually the only voice of sanity and humanity on here and I do began to fear for us all in the event of these people gaining power.

I to fail to understand why those who describe their political views as centre-left do not wish to outline what policies they would wish to see in a political party campaigning under such a banner.

Would they support:-
A pledge to end to the gig economy that one in five workers find themselves employed in at present?

A pledge to end worthless so-called modern apprenticeships?

A pledge to end zero hours contracts especially those that restrict the employee from working for any other employer?

I would suggest that the above should be straightforward centre-left social policies that any left thinking person should be able to support and say so.

I too despair, utterly dispair .

I take very little notice of what grandad1943 wants, union power controlling a government .

I have been vocal in what I want for the U.K., a labour government of the centre left

I, and others, are trying very hard to find out just what centrists, or centre leftists, or whatever you like to call it, want their ideal government to do. Labels are completely useless if no-one knows just what is being labelled.

Grandad has set out some examples of what he clearly would like to see; I posted a rather more 'general' extract from the recent IPPR report on a suggested over all tone and direction that a government might take. Absolutely no reaction! I can only assume that people are more interested in carping and criticising individuals than they are about what they want government to achieve.

Maizie, why ask me what I want but ask Jalima which party policies she chooses?

I despair, I utterly despair.

I wasn't asking anyone what policies they wanted. I was, see my previous sentence above, asking what they want a government to achieve. What their vision is for the country they live in. That Jalima has managed to interpret that as policies is startling.

This is what I said earlier:

I assume that, as voters, we have a vision of how we'd like the social and economic aspects of the country we live in to be and then we vote for the party that promises as near a match as possible to what we would like

What is so difficult to understand about it?

Trisher, no free speech in the Blair years? that is so not true, Benn, Skinner and the far left were not silent .

Maizie, why ask me what I want but ask Jalima which party policies she chooses?

Diversion yet again.

Maizie, reluctant? That is rubbish, are you a recently joined poster? I have been vocal in what I want for the U.K., a labour government of the centre left not a government of the far left with a PM who puts Venezuela up as an example to the free world !

Strange how bullying in the party isn’t consider worth discussing by the far left supporters here.

Nobody is asking you to write your own policies, Jalima.
Are you deliberately misunderstanding my question?

So, having read the manifestos of the parties what influences your choice?

(I am genuinely puzzled by your responses; how can you choose if you haven't any idea of what you want from a government?)

Trisher, that's a most interesting article, thank you for posting that link. I always felt that Tony Blair was corrupt, now I know he is. It's almost unbelievable where he gets money from.

What I do, you see, is read the policies of the various parties. then decide.

I don't write my own and submit them.

Or do you just use the blindfold and pin method when you're voting in a general election?
Well, at the moment it is probably the best way.

No, in fact, my vote was wasted.

You must have some idea of how you want the country of which you are a fully paid up citizen to be run, surely, Jalima?

Or do you just use the blindfold and pin method when you're voting in a general election?

Well, I would have thought that first one decides how one wants to the country to be run, its citizens treated, its finances managed, etc. then one creates (lays out) policies to ensure that that will be achieved.

Of course, I am not a politician, what do I know.

It's not a question of 'laying out policies', Jalima. It's a question of how do you want the country to be run, its citizens treated, its finances managed, etc.

I assume that, as voters, we have a vision of how we'd like the social and economic aspects of the country we live in to be and then we vote for the party that promises as near a match as possible to what we would like.

there is no centre left party

Grandad didn't say there was, Ab.

His mentions of centre left from his last post:

can someone who believes that centre-left thinking

So let us hear just what those centre left polices would be from those that believe in the centre-left broad church approach.

No mention of any party in that.

I've dipped in and out ( mostly out because they have a weird pointlessness to them ) of these Corbyn threads for the last couple of years now and I have never seen anyone of a supposedly 'centrist' tendency say what they want a political party to achieve, despite being frequently asked. Asked at least four times on this thread alone..

Why are you all so reluctant to say what you, personally, want for the nation?

there is no centre left party , how can anyone say what a party which doesn’t exist think

We could lay out all the policies on GN Anniebach and I'm sure we will then have a flood of would-be MPs rushing to form a party to represent us.

Cart before horse methinks

there is no centre left party , how can anyone say what a party which doesn’t exist think, come to that it is not possibly to say what anyone thinks

We all know what Corbyn and the Labour party new left policies are. However, can someone who believes that centre-left thinking is better please explain what that thinking would entail.

Would it entail a pledge to end to the gig economy that one in five workers find themselves employed in at present?

Would it entail a pledge to end worthless so-called modern apprenticeships?

Would it entail a pledge to end zero hours contracts especially those that restrict the employee from working for any other employer?

The above employee conditions mean that employers that do wish to provide good conditions to their employees find themselves in weak competitive positions against those who use the gig economy and zero hours contracts

So begins the race to the bottom.

So let us hear just what those centre left polices would be from those that believe in the centre-left broad church approach.

Then de selection followed by reselection for all not just those who are on Corbyn’s hit list .