Call off the dogs Corbyn

Maizie teachers wouldn’t thank you for adding that requirement to the curriculum ( your last sentence.)

Good post GrannyGravy ?? 16.20.00

Am sure that Saint Jeremy would be flinging the money around if he ever gets into power, borrowing it, printing it and generally mismanaging it.

An excellent appraisal MaizieD in your above post @ 17:38 today. Governments have printed and pumped five hundred and fifty billion into the UK economy to elevate the effects of the 2008 banking crisis.

The above has been carried out under the title of quantitative Easing" and has indeed saved the banks and overall finance industry.

That stated, what I have never been able to "square" with the above is the fact that we now have the wonderful National Health Service desperately underfunded. However, it seems no " Quantitative Easing" can be carried out to ease the plight of our great health service?

Where do interest rates come into the equation MaizieD?

I'd like to add to trisher's list that I would like to see:

An end to people paying for access to politicians (particularly when in government positions) in order to influence them. This is unfair to people who don't have money and makes a mockery of a democracy in which all citizens are supposed to have an equal right to representation. It feels really corrupt to me.

An insistence that all children are taught basic economic facts about the national economy, and, how our constitution works.

GrannyGravy asks: trisher where is the money going to come from for your plans. If it is to put the taxes up of the squeezed middle, that is definitely a vote loser.

The 'national economy is like a household economy' idea that so many people have is just not true. Economists will tell you that. The country can create as much money as it likes to fund whatever it likes. There is no limit to how much a government can issue; it's not 'backed' by anything (we came off the gold standard nearly 50 years ago). There's also no particular reason why it should borrow money.

Obviously a government can't create money ad lib, we'd just get inflation. Taxation is really a form of inflation control; it prevents too much money being kept in the economy and making prices rise.

Which means that the government has to spend before it can tax; if it didn't spend there wouldn't be any money to tax. (Which is why cutting spending has had such an appalling effect on the 'real' economy. Isn't it now 4.5 million people living in poverty in the UK?)

Obviously it's much more complex than this but that is the basic mechanism of money circulation in the economy.

Well being 5’7” size 8 and aging, there is nothing about me that would merit a wolf whistle ?, but I have had me moments !

As a business person, I would like to add to trishers above list, a compleat end to the gig economy, restrictions on zero-hours employment contracts, especially where that contract restricts the employee from working for other employers.

I would also wish to see amendments to the current Trade Union legislation in regard to unions having inform an employer who will be involved in any industrial action two weeks before that action takes place.

The above I feel would benefit employers who wish to offer good terms and conditions to their employees and in that stop the race to the bottom, therefore benefiting the UK economy

Now, forum members are invited to state what they find left wing in the above.

Excellent, realistic post GrannyGravy: Alas, the days when anyone would cat call after me are long gone!! But I take your point! Actually at the risk of being unpopular, wolf whistling never bothered me! I always thought of it as a harmless compliment from a cheeky young chap which perhaps to my shame, earned them a smile and a wave!! There is I think a difference perhaps between a cheeky whistle and an offensive cat call which is deeply unpleasant.

Anniebach- agree with you.

If everyone treated others with respect the world would be a much nicer place.

GrannyGravy I have worked with my brothers building firm for over 25 years, use to go out onto the sites, never did one man ever use that gutter language in front of me. Nothing to do with equality of the sexes, quite simply - respect .

I think some women get equality wrong ab, we should not have to lower our behaviour to be like a certain type of man. I do not know any men who would use bad language directed at women, including an awful lot of builders and tradesmen.

Exactly GrannyGravy, so why should women accept being called a turd by a man and when they express disgust the man is defended by another woman . Sisterhood? Rubbish

Anniebach if a man winks at me and says great tits, he might get a black eye!!!

I do think that the utility companies should not have been privatised.

As for the railways, they are no worse or better since privatisation. I am not a great fan of HS2, I think the money would be better spent improving the current infrastructure.

The NHS is still free at point of use for all, even people who are health tourists, who come to the UK knowing full well that they will not be turned away. Having worked in the NHS there is at least one and probably two layers of management that could be done away with, which in turn would free up money for medical staff.

As for benefits. If the long term cannot be bothered to work as nobody in my family has done for years brigade, were taken to task, there would be more money available for those truly in need.

In our area every new development, wether it be flats or houses has to have a proportion of affordable units for rent.

Private rentals, I am sorry but market forces come into play here. If you cap the rents, landlords (some of which may only have one property as an investment, as there is no way of getting a return on your money elsewhere) will just stop investing, which will lead to less units up for rent.

The majority of students will never pay off their loans. Maybe a rethink of the "I must go,to,university to a degree in David Beckham Studies" (yes there is such a course), is needed. More apprenticeships, as speaking from experience University does not always prepare you for the big wide working world.

Cannot comment on Academies, as I do not have enough knowledge of them.

trisher where is the money going to come from for your plans. If it is to put the taxes up of the squeezed middle, that is definitely a vote loser.
I think I have read that there are more low paid people being taken out of paying tax than ever before.
If the likes of google and amazon were enforced to pay more tax, don't you think they would just pack up and go, making an awful lot of people jobless. I know they are low paid jobs, but at least they are in work.

I know a lot of people will not agree with me, but you did ask for people's opinions.

seems to be equal to men we have to accept lavatorial language . So if a man winks at a woman and says ‘great tits’ this too is equality of the sexes

I think we have over the years, if not on this particular thread.

It wouldn't hurt to repeat it. Particularly for people who haven't been on the forum for 'years'.

I don't understand why everyone is so coy about this...

Pearl clutching - not being wimin enough to see ourselves as equal to men. What nonsense.

Not forgetting claiming certain people are despised in the Labour Party. What knowledge to speak for the entire party.

Referring to turds in an appropriate context is fine. Using the word as an insult is not - simple as that!

No one has ever answered any political question I have posted
I think we have over the years, if not on this particular thread.

No one has ever answered any political question I have posted lemon but I will try again
I believe in the public ownership of the railways and utilities and that they should be run on a not for profit basis, because the mark of a civilised society is that it provides water and fuel to everyone at a reasonable cost and without people making profits from them.
I want an NHS which is free for everyone and provides a quality service for all regardless of ability to pay.
I want a benefit service that provides proper support for those who need it and doesn't leave people unable to get money for weeks.
I want a programme of social housing that ensures that people are properly housed and doesn't result in sink estates and areas where public servants can't afford to live.
I want private rents controlled for the same reason.
I want a proper investigation into the farce that is student loans and the possibile scrapping of them if (as I suspect) they are costing more to administer than is collected.
I want proper investment in education and the funding of Academies carefully looked at.
There that'll do for now-so anyone want to challenge my "far left' views?

Bad language exists some people use it, some don't. I don't trawl through threads looking for it, nor am I offended by either a fuck or a turd. If you are say so and move on but stop going on about it. This who said what and when belongs in the playground not on an adult thread
Then would you kindly stop banging on about what I may or may not have said?
Or indeed spuriously demanding apologies?

trisher, yes you want a political debate but everyone is expected to agree with you, if they don’t in comes the far left and it kicks off,

You may be use to being called a turd, fair enough, but you demand everyone accepts the same,if they do not in you come mocking them. This is your idea of debate .

So you always say trisher ( to anyone who disagrees with you) and who are you to say who leads a narrow life come to that.
I wouldn’t want to ally myself to Grandad43 for all the tea in China, but you have done which says a lot about you.

I don't want the thread stopped. I would like some proper debate on a political level but that ain't gonna happen on GN any time soon.