The Last Days of Mrs May?

For somebody who thinks none of us lefties have any idea what the working class are like and wouldn't like them if we did lemon, you seem to be a bit confused about them.Are you suggesting "People" is in some way a derogatory term? Or are you prejudiced against workers in some way? I thought it was generally agreed that we are all workers now.

Nothing to do with ‘the working class’ more to do with comedy writers ( Tracey Breaks The News) where in the allotment scenes, McDonnell and Corbyn put their hands on their hearts and say ‘the workers!’

In fact using the prefix ‘the People’s’ is a Communist phrase.

So saying ‘People’s’ something smacks of fascism?
Bit weird, as the Left use that phrase all the time.

it smacks of ‘the workers!’

It smacks of fascism....

Blasted right-wing predictive text!

Mustn’t...

Oh dear, must have anything that smacks of the working class!

Jane I agree, ‘people’s’ anything is one of those phrases beloved by the left, it smacks of ‘the workers!’

Since vast swathes of Labour voters voted to leave the EU,it won’t harm Labour if the choices of deal are binary, it’s only
The members at the conference who are demanding a choice of voting (the whole thing again) which I doubt will ever happen.
There is no need for an election either, Corbyn wouldn’t get a better deal than May.

The phrase 'People's Vote' really irritates me. All our votes in either council or general elections and referendums are people's votes. Pah!

GG13, we have no idea at all if the 'people's vote' will even happen, let alone what the content will be. I saw reports of the ghastly Mr Farage and his circus touring this weekend. DDavis, KHoey and NFarage did not have quite the enthusiastic rapturous welcome they expected I think. They ended up with a bus outside a football stadium in Lancashire, pretending that this was the crowd of supporters. Pathetic.

So what you're saying MaisieD, is to always take with a pinch of salt anything a politician tells you either in their manifesto or in government.

That, nellie is what 40+ years of enfranchisement has taught me. Few politicians in power tell anything but their version of 'the truth'. With a lot of spin on it.

That 'once in a lifetime vote' nonsense was just a rhetorical flourish. In truth, Cameron must have known that he absolutely couldn't commit the country to it as a parliament (even though it wasn't even 'parliament' that said it!) cannot bind its successors. Which means that anything done in one parliament can be completely overturned by the next one.

Cameron should also have known that he was not constitutionally able to make such a promise; it was not in his power to make it without the approval of parliament.

For my information on the referendum I didn't bother with the politicians. I preferred to see what the experts had to say.

And, before any Leaver says that the experts were mostly Remainers so of course they would be pro-EU, I'd point out that they were pro_EU because they were experts and knew just how the EU and the rest of the world 'works'.

The "People's Vote" as I understand it is not in or out, but whether or not we except the agreed Brexit deal.

I think there have been as many interpretations of what '"The People's Vote" means as there are as to what 'Leave' means.

A vote that just asked if we accepted the 'agreed deal' or 'no deal' would be completely meaningless and not worth turning out for. None but the terminally stupid and disaster capitalists would vote for 'no deal' so whatever 'deal' had been agreed, however bad it was, would win by default.

Leavers will, no doubt, be mightily cheered by John McDonnell touring the radio studios this morning to say that Labour would only support this binary choice of crap or crapper as they wouldn't want a 'Remain' option. I expect that a few thousand more potential Labour voters he's just lost...

That is the big problem we have heard all the arguments for 2 years now and have all decided IN or OUT. We know what IN means, we know OUT means nothing like the vision the Brexiteers portrayed 2 yrs ago

If we start voting on this deal or that deal most of us won't have a clue what we are voting for, lets get on with it and vote in or out.

If we wait until November for any new deal to get to parliament it's going to be February before we get any vote. That is exactly what TM wants because it will keep her in power longer.

The last thing we need is an election, especially as the so called opposition is far to busy deselecting it's MP's, and seems to be "a bit chaotic".

So, if the next people's vote referendum is to vote on the deal - and so far we haven't got a deal, will anyone know what they're voting for?

Given all the endless party political broadcasts and campaigning in the run up to any election, Brexit will have happened before we are queueing up at the polling stations.

Peoples vote?!! Isn't that a referendum?! Why dress it up? To fool those easily lead people into thinking that its somehow something cosier and more user friendly and means something slightly different?!!!
So what you're saying MaisieD, is to always take with a pinch of salt anything a politician tells you either in their manifesto or in government. Wow! Why bother to vote at all? would seem a futile exercise if it's probably all lies anyway!

We were told 2 years ago that the referendum was a once in a lifetime vote.

The "People's Vote" as I understand it is not in or out, but whether or not we except the agreed Brexit deal.

If it returns a "no" we will still leave the EU but without a deal.

As you've already told us many, many times that you don't believe what anyone says, nellie, I really don't understand why you are moaning on about a 'promise' made by a politician.

Why would that particular one be any more significant than any other politicians' statement?

Presumably so long as it's the 'right' result a small majority will do. If it's the 'wrong' result with a small majority we will have to go again, and again and yet again till the ' right' result is achieved!! Of course each one being ' Once in a lifetime'!!
Who would ever believe any politicians promise of anything ever again?!! You can choose the colour of your car, so long as it's black!!

My radio turned itself on this morning for my gentle wake up and I dreamed that Labour had backed a Second Vote on Europe.
No they really had actually done something, forget the GE that's not going to happen, they have given TM a real problem. The EU are now going to be much less likely to move, they want a second vote to break the deadlock caused by DUP wanting no border.
The Tories are now going to scrabble around to find a deal but the EU will stonewall them all the way until that vote. Assuming the Labour Conference accepts the proposal and does not shoot itself in the foot again all they need is a leader that will show some leadership.

Perhaps as soon as parliament returns the sensible thing to do is to agree a second vote ASAP.

I'm really not sure are they crazy or in denial there is no chance of a General Election while Tories have a majority. They control the agenda and will continue to do so.
Carry on Corbyn this is a farce worthy of any comedy film.

They really should move on to the party nomination system

Wrong Paddyann, Wales voted out 47.47% remain 52.53% out.

Wales is a country not a county of England

Well said Diana54. The leavers who would see Britain end the negotiations with no deal still have no answer to the Irish border problem or perhaps they do not realise there would be a very dangerous problem.

The above adds to the list of problems that they have no answer to , such as the problems at the ports, the airlines, the European driving licences and much more.

All we get is head in the sand rants and it will all be alright in fifty years time.

What a joke.

Corbyn will promise the earth to get into power.My guess, is that if we did have a GE and Labour won it, he would not grant a second referendum at all.