The Last Days of Mrs May?

The Tory Party’s challenge to Theresa May’s leadership speaks volumes: Conservative MPs can change their minds, but the British people cannot!

What utter hypocrites.

The Tory party won’t give the people a vote on the Brexit deal – but are ready to waste a month on a leadership challenge.

They are putting their party ahead of the country.

This is irresponsible, inward-looking, pointless and childish behaviour.

And it isn’t going to stop until the Conservative party admits the truth – there is no Brexit Deal better than the one we have as members of the EU.

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I don't understand why a second vote would make things worse. I didn't vote because I just didn't understand the implications enough, and I did try to. If people have changed their minds I would think it is for a good reason. It almost feels like some leavers think the result was a fluke so lets not vote again in case it changes - but surely if we want to be really democratic when people's opinions change we take that into account.
People will rightly say we voted to do in, things changed after a long period of time, so we were due another vote. But the amount that has changed in people's perceptions, in a short time, by a lot of new information as to what might happen, is huge. I am angry with the politicians who misled us. And yes I saw the propaganda enough to know I was being misled, but didn't know enough to work out how to pick out the truths.
Since when was the solution to 'oops we messed up' answered with 'well carry on anyway or you'll make things worse' ?

This is bad for Conservatism not only TM.. Just been watching JC in Parliament who is dissing the Gov. as usual but with that edge of authority that shows he is near to running the Country.

Everyone now knows far more about the consequences of brexit than they did in 2014. Many of those who then voted to leave did so because they believed false promises. They did not vote that way in order to be poorer.

Now we know that any kind of brexit will seriously damage our economy, leaving less, not more, money for the NHS and everything else paid for by our taxes, surely we should be entitled to have an informed vote?

Theresa May said she would not have a snap election, then had a snap election. She promised that MPs would get a "meaningful vote" on her deal today, then cancelled it yesterday. If she is allowed to change her mind, surely the British people should also have that opportunity?

Theresa May will not be able to pull any rabbits out of the hat Lazigirl. It won’t happen, the EU are not having any of it.
I do not believe we should have another referendum, I voted remain myself, but I believe it would be undemocratic to hold a second vote. Those remainers who want a second vote want one because they want a different outcome. The country is already split, but it would be much worse if we have another referendum.

If we ran this country by Referendums then the we would be in a far worse state than we are at present. Hard to believe I know. We would likely have capital punishment for one thing. Having decided to hold one, which was to appease the dissident Tories, we are now stuck with it, and I just want what is best for the country. I have many misgivings about Brexit and think we are far better in the EU but Varian no, I do not believe the LP led by JC would be able to achieve a better deal. TM is now going back to EU and hoping to pull rabbits out of the hat. Watch this space. I am sticking with the LP because I think they will be a better government for this country after the inevitable fall of the Tories.

If you offered to buy a house subject to survey and the survey found the house was structurally unsound and riddled with dry rot and other defects, you would then have the choice of going ahead or pulling out of the deal.

Voters were offered a false prospectus on the benefits of brexit - win-win, cake-and-eat-it, rainbows, unicorns, sunlit uplands, and quite a lot of them were duped into believing the lies.

Now the stark truth emerges. Any kind of brexit will leave us worse off, having given up control and diminished our place in the world.

We are entitled to make an informed choice and a responsible government, if it cannot bring itself to make that choice should allow the people to vote.

But did people who voted leave say they wanted to have WTO rules? It wasn't [along with most things] on the ballot paper if my memory serves me correctly Why, now that more facts about leaving the EU are emerging all the time, can people not have a remain option. 'Democracy is not, and never was, about following through an ill informed decision when more information is available, just because a decision was made at a point in time'.

If we have new referendum then May's deal or WTO deal should be question as we have already voted on in or out. So if new referendum then which type of out deal should be question to respect democracy.

I am hoping May loses the vote to keep UK shacked to EU in perpetuity. I wish enough MP's would topple her with vote of no confidence. I see Labour are considering going for May rather than Tory party as they think she can be toppled with help of DUP. Tory party need a new leader who can go in and get a better deal. Paying half of the £39 billion up front is sensible and rest paid on completion of trade deal. This is what many people do with a trades person do not pay until job is completed to satisfaction. Why May would want to pay it upfront with no guarantee of trade deal is beyond me especially as House of Lords legal experts stated we do not technically owe EU any money to leave but only pay for a trade deal.

I agree that Thatcher did great damage to our country, but the havoc caused by Cameron's irresponsiblity and May's incompetence could be far worse if brexit is allowed to go ahead.

However, having listened to Labour brexit spokesman Barry Gardiner on the Channel 4 debate, I do not think that Corbyn becoming PM at this stage would help us at all. Do LP supporters really believe he could get better terms ?

I am not far left labour supporter but am a Labour Party member. Many problems that we face in society today can undoubtedly be traced back to Thatcher's premiership, but I do not believe it is possible to match the sheer incompetence and poor decision making of Cameron and subsequently May's government.

I can remember thinking that America would never have a President as useless as George Bush Jnr as well...strange [and dangerous] times we live in.

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I did thin Thatcher's was the worst government in my lifetime, Annie, until these two came along.

At least Thatcher was a) competent and b) wasn't working to destroy the country and parliamentary democracy.

‘Paddyann*. There was social housing until Thatcher

were there 130,000 children homeless at Christmas back in Thatchers day*Annie*...there will be this year under May .Now as you probably realise I think( along with most of Scotland) that Maggie was the devil incarnate but Teresa is certainly up there beside her,people in my area who claim benefits from yesterday will get NO payments until January ! Heartless?Not at all ...just self centred greedy bastards who think the only folk that count are the tory elite .THAT shows how angry I am about people being expected to live on fresh air through no fault of their own...and as for the clown who said they should "take in lodgers" what planet is he on ? Many have no space for their own families after being hit with bedroom tax .Personally I'd like to see every tory made to live under these circumstances for at least a year ....or longer .Take their ill gotten gains ,their expenses ,their sense of entitlement and superiority and destroy the scum.They are truly the shame of the UK .

I am surprised far left labour supporters think the May and Cameron governments are the worse since WW2. The Thatcher government obviously wasn’t a problem for them.

As I said, everyone is entitled to their view.

Count me in. That makes three...

It's also my view maddyone, so that's two of us .

Grandad, your view of who is the worst government ever is simply your view. Everyone is entitled to their own view.

Grandad, you have clearly nailed your Labour supporter credentials to the mast, on this and other occasions. I have also clearly said twice, now three times, that I do not believe that the Labour are responsible for the present ‘debacle’. Apparently my agreeing with you is not good enough, as you continue to argue belligerently with me. I have observed this, without comment, previously. So I say it again, the Labour Party are not responsible for the present ‘debacle.’

maddyone, in my above post I did not make a statement on the parliamentary process, but just laid out the past and present position of the Labour party in this Brexit debacle.

There would seem to be many members of this forum who wish to paint a picture of the Labour party being as equal to the Conservative party in bringing about the present crisis situation.

In the foregoing, the Labour party are not in any way responsible for this Brexit debacle, as that can be firmly placed at the door of this Tory government and nowhere else.

In my opinion, this May and the previous Cameron led administration are the two worst governments this country has had since the second world war.