Jacob Rees Mogg

^ how quaint he is, we all think, with his Latin phrases and his many oddly named children; he is so amusingly posh and highbrow, I bet he listens to classical music on Radio 3 and doesn’t even think of the Specsavers advert^
That report sounds like thinly disguised thuggery too.

Hands up anyone who listens to Radio 3 - apparently your hidden values could be brutal and barbaric.
It's a sign, folks!

Varian, did he say ‘victims of rape or incest should not be able to have an abortion’ or ‘gay couples should be denied the right the right to marry’ ? Or did he say ‘I do not believe in abortion ‘ and ‘ I do not agree with same sex marriage ‘

Big difference .

And what is wrong with listening to classical music or not going to Spec Savers ?

Mogg, unlike some of his fellow extremists, may maintain a superficial veneer of politeness, but few observers are fooled by what John O'Farrell describes as "polite thuggery"-

"Jacob Rees Mogg presents himself as such an old-fashioned gentleman; how quaint he is, we all think, with his Latin phrases and his many oddly named children; he is so amusingly posh and highbrow, I bet he listens to classical music on Radio 3 and doesn’t even think of the Specsavers advert. Then you look a little closer and see the apparently civilised veneer conceals a value system that is brutal and barbaric. Victims of rape or incest should not be able to get an abortion, he says, gay couples should be denied the right to marry. He criticised Cameron’s attempts to get more non-white Conservative candidates; a devout Christian faithfully voting for all the government’s most un-Christian policies."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/12/its-finally-time-to-resist-conservatives-polite-thuggery

For some reason that was forgotten eazybee

"May I join those who have condemned the violent language that has been used. I hold up my Right Honourable Friend as a role model. She is always courteous." (Jacob Rees- Mogg, Parliament, yesterday.)
You might forget to include this, Varian.

Equally inexcuseable

So I as a Labour Party member am as guilty as JRM for John McDonald repeating the following about Esther McVey

‘Why are we sacking her, why arn’t we lynching the bastard ‘

Remembrance Sunday 2014

"A number of Tory MPs have been quoted using violent language such as “bring her own noose,” to attack British PM Theresa May, claiming she is on course to face a vote of no confidence this week from all wings of the party. On Wednesday, May will be summoned before the Tory backbench 1922 committee, in what has been described as a last ditch attempt for the PM to save her job - a process dubbed “a show trial” by one Conservative MP, the Sunday Times reports.

Ahead of the critical meeting, a series of Conservative MPs launched an unprecedented attack on May, with language more befitting of a trailer for a blockbuster war or action movie. The paper quotes one unnamed Tory MP as saying: “The moment is coming when the knife gets heated, stuck in her front and twisted. She’ll be dead soon.”

www.rt.com/uk/441930-violent-language-brexit-may/

I make no apology for posting a quote from RT. This foul abusive comment attacking the PM may not have been made by JRM, but it was made by one of his fellow travellers.

Ever since the outcome of the 2016 Referendum, it has become increasingly more apparent that the Leave campaign seriously misrepresented the consequences of leaving the EU.

The claims that withdrawal would allow substantially greater spending on the NHS and other public services have been comprehensively contradicted by the great majority of economists and by the Government’s own impact studies. These all indicate that, on any Leave scenario, the UK economy, and thus UK public services, will be adversely affected.

The slogan “take back control” has proved to be the opposite of the truth as the electorate realises the immensity of our loss in the shaping of the future of the largest economic bloc in the world, with which we conduct nearly half our trade. The UK is patently losing much control over its most important political and economic relationships and thus over its own future directions.

It is now evident that these losses will be nowhere near compensated by our freedom to strike our own trade deals. Our bargaining position is far weaker outside the EU and new trade deals, when eventually completed, are likely to come with conditions and regulations no less demanding than those within the EU.

www.europeanmovement.co.uk/the_will_of_the_people

Mogg and his fellow ultra-brexiters do not represent the will of the people, let alone the best interests of our country. They are accomplished liars who managed to fool quite a lot of people in 2016, and have since abused their positions entirely for their own ends.

varian and MaizieD, couldn't agree more about the need for a fairer, more effective voting system.

here in the Tory heartland of Surrey(Gove and Hunt) we had a surprisingly strong Leave vote but all layers of government Town Council, District and County Council are almost 100% Conservative reflecting the General Election votes. We tried locally to break the stronghold by not fielding candidates from Lab and Lib Dem in the same wards so that a combined vote might work to unseat the incumbent. Unfortunately the national parties were not happy with that idea.

Even so, I still believe strongly that this country needs electoral reform so that the number of MPs is directly proportional to the number of votes, as is the case in most democracies

I absolutely agree with you, varian. We currently have a ridiculous situation where a relative handful of seats (the marginals) are the only places where an individual's vote really counts. If you live in a 'safe' seat and vote against the sitting party you might just as well not bother. (Though I do appreciate that numbers do matter in the post election analysis)

The LIbDems have paid a hard price for being in the coalition. People forget that they did a lot of good. Taking the lowest earners out of income tax was a LibDem policy for which the Tories opposed but have since claimed credit for.

Student fees were introduced by Labour, who said they would not increase them, then did. The coalition's decision to raise them again was Tory policy which the LibDems opposed, but then conceded in return for the introduction of the LibDem policy of the pupil premium which has done a lot of good.

As a Liberal Democrat I believe Nick Clegg made a mistake in conceding to support that Tory policy. The party has paid a heavy price, and sadly, this tends to be the pattern when the minority partner in a coalition government gets blamed for everything bad and never gets the credit for the good that they did.

Even so, I still believe strongly that this country needs electoral reform so that the number of MPs is directly proportional to the number of votes, as is the case in most democracies. PR tends to lead to coalitions, where a minority party puts the country before their own party interests - a concept sadly alien to both the largest parties in the UK,.

I agree MaizieD I do think there were a lot of people looking for a party when Tony was in charge and certainly some of them went to the LibDems.

I think that student fees had a lot to do with it, trisher. And selling off Royal Mail. I see lots of 'hate' for Nick Clegg on twitter for those reasons.

I'm not sure that, before they went into coalition, people had actually realised that the Lib Dems were often more 'left' than Labour.

Diana54 it isn't really about far-left opinions. Take the Lib Dems they were at one point slightly to the left of Blair's labour party and when Tony took the party to war I was uncertain about if I should support the LibDems or the Green Party. Instead of sticking to the left they tried to retake the middle ground, moved to the right and supported Cameron. Result Road Kill. From over 50 MPs to 12.

are you stating in your above post that a few very wealthy capitalist now have such a hold on the British economy that they can defeat the will of the electorate demonstrated in any General Election?

I think, Grandad, that you have to look at why wealthy capitalists have such a hold on the economy. IMO it's because they have persuaded people of the myth of the nation's economy being like a household economy. While ever people go on believing this they will keep their stranglehold.

I linked to a new website in my previous post. This is a link to its explanation of the basics:

gimms.org.uk/mmtbasics/

MMT is not a political theory, but a description of how money creation works and why missing it out of the economic equation leaves classical economic thinking disconnected from the real world; while the real world suffers from that disconnect in terms of unemployment, loss of key services and environmental degradation.

Have a look and see what you think.

Further to my earlier post.
There is lots of more detailed information on this link.

Fact sheets include ones about inflation, government debt and deficits, how the money system works and lots more.
If you disagree with what I keep saying about the national economy do have a look at what experts are saying and see if you still disagree.

gimms.org.uk/fact-sheets/

Diana54, are you stating in your above post that a few very wealthy capitalist now have such a hold on the British economy that they can defeat the will of the electorate demonstrated in any General Election?

If that is what you are advising, then that is the biggest condemnation of the capitalist system of government there ever could be.

We need to invest proper money in core public services, in enabling small businesses to thrive and provide sustainable work for ' blue' collar workers. "Austerity" just stagnates everything and imo causes more small businesses to go to the wall and bigger businesses to call in debts & pull up the drawbridge. Feels like a lose lose situation. Good investment of public funds, to stimulate services and small business, would bring a livlier growth economy.

we need to borrow money to keep the country running

We
Don't
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To
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Money

Vermin and Road kill.

In that case I'm definitely Road Kill. I do understand the frustration of the extreme left wingers who use this language, because they cannot get their voice heard.

We live in a capitalist society, even if JC does gain power and the unions go berserk as they did in the 1970s, the capitalists still win. They will short sell sterling , cause rampant inflation, chaos and unemployment. The voters then loose faith with that ideology and the pendulum swings in the opposite direction and we get Thatcher Mk2. Politicians never read history books.

You cannot buck the market, we live in a free global society, we need to borrow money to keep the country running if confidence in our government falls, lenders want more interest or at worst won't lend.

I think people are using 'posh' to mean different things.. first agree terminology!

jura 2

" look at the nasty Labour Party thread- there for all to see."

You mean the calling of Tory voters VERMIN and Centrist voters ROAD KILL.

I. don't think that sort of comment has ever in all the years I have been on Gransnet ever been remotely used to speak of Labour voters. If it had I would be the first to call it what it is hatred!

So jura what do you think of trisher and her insults to the many GN members on here? Funny, truly?
Or just pathetic perhaps.In keeping with the modern LP though! Am sure that the Momentum activists and a lot of the new £3 members would agree with her.