I am with lemongrove on this. We are starting to become a very po faced nation of killjoys. Eating out is a treat, well it is for me, and I am happy to take full adult responsibility for what I eat and drink. I HATE going out with people who dither over whether or not they should be 'naughty'. Just order what you want, or don't, but please stop sucking the joy out it. A recent WI meeting ended up like this with half the people on my table being all puritanical sbout the fish and chip supper. "Oh I can't eat all those chips" and "Oh no wine for me, I never drink in the week". As this was our once a year fish and chips with glass of wine event, one wonders why they attended! Sorry for rant but ?