Labour Party Conference

That’s the problem OldMeg far too many people have this “I’m alright jack” attitude as though those of us in economically poor areas only have ourselves to blame for it . No one is asking you to “apologise for living in a nice area” grannygravy you are indeed very fortunate but please don’t jump to the conclusion that “ working hard” alone has brought you good fortune as though those of us in poorer areas must have spent our days lazing about .

Good post muffin, I do not have a solution for these youngsters, unfortunately neither have any of our politicians from either side of the house.

We also have to lose the stigma of working in the service industry, being a waitress, shop assistant or even a carer is frowned upon by some, whereas our friends in the EU are proud to do these jobs.

It does make you wonder if this policy could be extended so that all the 'nice' places in the SE won't have any 'problem' families but will ship them out (probably Up North!)

Perfect solution trisher

I agree with your post Muffin but leaving school without any exams passed is no bar ( not talking special needs here)to shop work, pubs, cafes etc.No mines ( thank goodness) and few factories, though there are some.The service industry is huge, cinemas, hotels and supermarkets to name but a few.
Your young relative should be able to find something.

I can assure you gillybob, hard work and nothing but hard work has given my family what we have. We started with nothing, renting a grotty house, missing out on C's school plays, sports days etc. I can never get those experiences back.

You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.

Time to stop all the silly North /South envy perhaps gilly
It doesn’t help anything.

You can’t say everywhere in the North is deprived either, there are some really expensive areas and some lovely areas that are doing as well as anywhere ‘down South’ and guess what?There are some deprived areas in the South, nowhere more than London!

But the problem is that these people are not going to go away GG13 and you have illustrated perfectly what happens as a result of austerity and cuts. Certain areas are seen as no-go areas and they become places ordinary people do not go. Now it may be that spending more will not entirely resolve the situation but it would certainly help. As council services and the police are cut, the support network which once existed to help, and at least attempt, to contain the problem is stretched to breaking point. Even if you think that no politician can completely solve the problem surely spending to keep it under control is justifiable?

If the large number of Eastern Europeans hadn’t all come into GrannyG’s town due to EU ruling enforcing freedom of movement then they wouldn’t need more money for the policing of them. Cause and effect.

lemon you really don't understand muffin's post. Someone with no qualifications is not employable. When the service industries can get students and even graduates as employees they will not look at anyone without qualifications. It's one reason teachers strive desperately to push pupils through to get at least a "C" in maths and Eng or if not possible a functional skills qualification.Unfortunately some still slip through.

Of course I understand her post trisher we are not talking hotel reception or a management position.
As long as she is literate and numerate up to a point, she can get a job.
My nephew is a similar case, but is employed in a supermarket.

AH lemon blame the Eastern Europeans as usual unfortunately evidence shows more of them are leaving than arriving www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/thousands-eastern-europeans-leave-uk-13127071
Still never argue with prejudice.

Since GrannyGravy told us there is a problem in her town with them ( not me or my town) why is that ‘blaming them’
........or could it be ( yes) that you just like to get a cheap shot in at me whenever you can? that was a rhetorical question btw.

these people are not going to go away

These people are just like you and me.

I have just given an account of my next door town, seen with my own eyes. I have spoken to councillors and county councillors, these Eastern Europeans do not want to go home.

Maybe the UK has become their home?

oldbatty I have every sympathy for genuine refugees fleeing war and oppression, they need our help and support.

"these people are just like you and me" I don't think so!!

Unfortunately some posters cannot see the damage that some of the so called "economic migrants" do to small towns, they have created an underbelly class of crime, they can be seen urinating and defacating in shop doorways when there are free public toilets nearby.

Openly selling drugs, along with their women giving "b* **bs" etc in car parks as soon as it is dusk. I apologise if this upsets some of you, but they are facts.

It has had an economic effect on the town, small seaside traders going out of business despite the long sunny spell. Who in their right mind would visit now, it is all over social media, locally and further afield.

Perhaps some of them are actually working here!

If the large number of Eastern Europeans hadn’t all come into GrannyG’s town due to EU ruling enforcing freedom of movement

I don't understand why this is a problem. I thought that EU workers were taking all the jobs, but GG13's post implied that they were all scrounging off the state. Which is it?

If it is the second case then don't blame freedom of movement, blame our government for not enforcing the EU rules which state that if an EU person is not employed within three months of coming to another EU country they should be returned to whence they came, unless they are self supporting (i.e not claiming benefits) and have their own health insurance.

Blame successive UK governments which have failed to enforce the rules.

So why aren't the police dealing with the crime and drugs GG13? Could they be overstretched because of government cuts? And women can only benefit from blow jobs if men are willing to pay them. Why not blame the local men who patronise these women?

lemon I do all her applications to help her. Sadly she then turns up to the interviews and blows it...

Yes we have coached her but she insists on coming out with real blinders like “if I was made to work here, would I have to wear ugly clothes like you?”

I can only do so much

I do a longstanding bit of volunteer work with local kids, writing their CVs, working on applications and coaching them for interviews. For a lot of them, a bit of help with the actual mechanics of presenting yourself for employment solves their issue - the kids themselves are willing enough to work and do alright in the jobs.

Some of them however have obviously been sent along by pissed off families to “get off their backside and get a job” and the truth is, I would not be inclined to give them a chance over the other kids either. They have, either due to circumstances or habit, lost any spark about them and present as totally unmotivated.

I can work around the “no qualifications” issue - although often, sadly, it’s a hard bar to the sort of work that interests them - but a total lack of motivation, an expectation that they will not get work or opportunities, is really difficult to work with.

I don’t know (and this is not a party political point) what we do about the expectations of a tranche of people who think they are unemployable, act unemployable, and expect not to get work. There will never be 100% employment, but it saddens me to see kids who have given up on their life chances before they even get to the starting line.

I’m way off the point of the thread here, I realise. I just want to draw some attention to the fact that even if we freed up a job for every person in the country tomorrow, not all those people would actually be able to be even vaguely useful in the job. Someone who’s not capable of self caring enough to clean their own home is not going to be adequate as a cleaner.

I don’t know what the answer is here.

Our local Police Force is excellent, they have a very visible town presence, but even they cannot be everywhere all the time.

87% support remain - and now Keir Starmer gets a massive standing ovation for supporting a peoples' vote, and one that does include REMAIN as an option.

WOW

From which country are the people causing the problems in the seaside town? (genuine question, not trying to cause trouble)

Especially not when their numbers have been depleted by cuts www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/police-cuts-neighbourhood-officers-violent-crime-rising-diane-abbott-theresa-may-a8508646.html