Is this the beginning of the end for Brexit?

There is no deal better for Britain than the one we currently have as a full member of the European Union.

We will not stand idly by while the Conservatives destroy our economy, our NHS, our peace and security.

And Jeremy Corbyn is no better – he has said time and again that he will deliver Brexit and is Theresa May’s helpful ‘opposition’.

For two and a half years, the Liberal Democrats have fought to give the people the final say on the deal and the right to choose to remain in the EU.

And we are winning that argument.

A year ago, less than 20% of the British public wanted a final say. Today this figure has more than tripled.

The Liberal Democrats demand better than our government and opposition ignoring the wishes of the majority of Britain.

Is this a new low for Brexiteers? Threatening Ireland with food shortages as a means of trying to get a “better deal” from the EU?
Yes, this is ex-Cabinet minister Priti Patel speaking at a Brexit Central event.
Have these people no shame? No historical awareness? Even if this were possible, is this what Brexiteers want for the U.K. - a bully state, starving its neighbours into submission?
Not to mention absolutely trashing an Anglo-Irish relationship that took decades of painstaking careful and respectful diplomacy to build up. And alienating a close neighbour and friend who could have been the most valuable ally and advocate for the U.K. inside the EU27.
I’m just despairing at this. Every day I think a new low in xenophobia and anti-Irish sentiment has been reached, and it just keeps getting worse.

Len McCluskey of Unite has warned Labour MP's not to vote for a second referendum as it would betray the members that voted for leave.

Thanks for that GrannyGravy. Interesting.

The late union man Bob Crow always said that leaving the EU was a left wing ideal if people cared for workers rights and pay. I agreed with him and still do.

I joined Labour Leave when it was created.

The EU RELIES on a desperate (and ever moving - so the end of borders) migrant work force. People will work for next to nothing on temporary contracts and this plays right into the hands of greedy bosses, becoming ever richer.

So may millionaires/billionaires/big bosses campaigned to Remain. I do hope UNITE is listened to. We all know Corbyn was firmly anti-EU. This gives him wriggle-room. And he did famously say after the referendum (as did Keir Starmer, et al) that they respected the result of the referendum.

My worry is that the deal TM brought back is one the EU wanted, and it will suit Remainers. (ie: Leave means Remain)

Iagree Maizie D.

Maizie's posts are anything but idiotic. They are truthful and informative. That graph is especially relevant to our present predicament.

During the years the UK has been a member of the EU we have thrived. Before the middle of 2015 the only people who regarded our continuing membership as an important issue were a tiny number on the extreme right.

It was only after as referendum was announced that those regarding this as the most important issue shot up from 5% to 50%.

For reasons hardly suspected by their readers, the downmarket tabloids promoted lie after lie after lie, to serve the interests of their billionaire proprietors. These are most definitely not in the interests of those who read and believed the lies and voted as instructed.

Does the whole world read our threads ? If bored simply answer - don’t read

wtf andy?? if you don't like the posts, don't read them rather than spill vitriol onto the thread.

Well said, Maisie.
Mawbroon, I fell it is the esxtreme leavers rather than the remainers in her party who are making it difficult for TM. They are not willing to accept any compromise.

go away and stop boring the whole world to death idiotic posts

Cameron had to give us a referendum because of the rise of Ukip.

But it was not done in the interests of the country. It was done in the interests of retaining tory voters who might be defecting to UKIP and to avoid splitting the tory party.
The interests of the country had nothing to do with it.

Polling history shows that 'the people' were mostly completely unbothered about the EU until Cameron stirred up the hornets' nest.

Look at UKIP now. Even Farage has resigned.

Cameron had to give us a referendum because of the rise of Ukip.

Sorry, but I can't agree with the summary in the Daily Telegraph quote.
No one has 'screwed' (awful word) anyone, apart from the Conservative party 'screwing' the whole country with a badly thought through referendum demanded by nobody. And then blaming Brussels for the consequences.
And what does Leavers voting 'in record numbers' mean? What record? Compared with what?

Len McCluskey of Unite has warned Labour MP's not to vote for a second referendum as it would betray the members that voted for leave.

As the Unions hold a lot of sway in the Labour Party I assume this is the death knell for a so called "People's Vote"

What makes it worse is that in the meantime may other important bits of Parl. business have had to take a back seat.
Or dealt with superficially. Or undemocratically.

In the future, people will wonder why we let this deteriorating situation go on so long. It is agonising, boring and scary in equal measures.

We need a hero. Several heros, probably.

I think we are all entitled to our own opinions, whatever side of the fence we are "currently on".

Unfortunately there is a member of the H of P who has sat on the fence on this issue so much he must have a derrière full of splinters.

Totally agree, Gill57. Omnishambles is the word, I think.

and ?

Don't let them get to you, MawB

Nick Timothy has a damned cheek seeing that it was his tory party that shafted the whole country by imposing the utterly foolish and unnecessary referendum on us in an effort to solve internal tory party problems.

Agree that it's a depressingly accurate summary of 2 frustrating years.
I am past trying to imagine what's next!

Thank you GG
I have been getting it in the neck and accused of hypocrisy elsewhere.
It certainly summed up the mess we are in for me.

Mawbroon that paragraph is probably the most accurate summation of the last 2 years.

From today’s Daily Telegraph, the final paragraph in an article by Nick Timothy

Whether we end up with Norway, a referendum that takes us back into the EU, or even the PM’s deal, Brexit, in any meaningful sense, is over. Brussels has screwed Britain, Remainers have screwed the Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister has screwed the Leavers. And the result is the establishment has screwed the public, who voted in record numbers to leave the European Union. A choice between Brexit in name only and no Brexit is no choice at all

Who of any of us can say what is going to happen now? .