The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

lemon, I have no wish to join a queue for anything.

I fear that the young are being sold Corbynism in our 6th forms and unis, they will believe him when he says he will wipe out student debt. when he says he will make university fees obsolete. There is not enough money in the pot for these "ideas"

The LP constantly go on about taxing the rich more, the rich will just leave these shores. I have read that there has been more corporation tax collectioned in the last financial year than ever before.

Surely we need to encourage private investment which in turn provides employment, which puts money in people's wallets enabling them to spend on what they wish.

Yes, we have had well over a thousand with another 800 in the pipeline.Houses at all kinds of prices.Although it’s a lot for our village I recognise it’s needed.
Friends that live in the North say the same thing.

You're right there lemon; hundreds of thousands of new houses are being built right across the country. In our village alone, 3 large tracts of green belt have just been earmarked for 400 houses and in the next village they are having 2500 houses built on green belt.

Corbyn is too dim for economics, he only has dogma and Marxist ideals.Who wants to be first in the long, long bread queue?

Thousands upon thousands of houses are being built / have just been built, and with the population as it is even more will be built in the near future, we are entering a house building boom like no other since the 1960’s.

grannypauline you are entitled to your own opinion as we all are.

We just need a humane re-adjustment of priorities

And a proper understanding of national economics...

Yes oldbatty I rather think it is.

Lemon and gravy - the stats are against your assertions that all is well in the UK.

Jobs. There may be less unemployment, but a lot of jobs now are not secure, permanent, jobs. Real wages have been falling since 2005 (Machin 2018).

Housing. Homelessness and rough sleeping are rising. The housing shortage is variously estimated at around just under four million homes (Heriot Watt uni) with nearly two million people on waiting lists for social housing - ie something they can afford. It is estimated that around 350 thousand homes need to be built annually. The current rate is less than 300 thousand (fullfact.org) so the position is worsening rather than improving.

By the way, a Marxist government WOULD be the answer to these crises!

actually the blessed Margaret was heard to refer to herself as a "grocers daughter "

Wow.... I will accept.... that's big of you.

Luckygirl I will accept that you used the phrase ‘grocer’s daughter’ without meaning any malice , but you should realise it was never ever a ‘lighthearted remark’ it was used at the time by some of the Opposition and from some Conservative (men) as a put down to her.How dare this woman from a shop background be leading us! That kind of thing.
Whatever anyone thinks of Mrs T , she was the first female PM and never had it easy in a man’s world.
So many years on, and neither does T May.

Corbyn and Co with his promises of all things to all men ( and women and children) would ruin the UK.

What we actually need, once Brexit is finally a done deal, is
For the Conservatives to be able to concentrate on domestic policies, it’s natural that at the moment, Brexit is taking centre stage.

I used to have high hopes for the Lib Dems but think they are consigned to the political dustbin of history now.
If a centre party had been going to form, it would surely have done so by now.

Exactement, Luckygirl. Respect to you.

At no point have I suggested that a Marxist led government is the answer.

Even if it was what I wanted (which it isn't) it simply would not happen.

We just need a humane re-adjustment of priorities so they those who get left behind under the current policies have the chance to play their part in society and feel valued.

I agree with what MaizieD and Luckygirl are saying with regards to running the economy. It is perfectly o.k. not to disagree, and to give reasons for that, but it does not help the discussion to take an innocuous phrase and somehow use that to make inferences that a poster is a "snob", or "envious", when it is obvious that that is not what was meant.

More people are working than in the last 40 years Luckygirl which is why most people in the UK are doing ok.
You didn’t seem to know that building is booming either.
I am not personally offended by your grocer’s daughter reference but wouldn’t use that description of a past PM, in fact, would think they had done very well to rise to that position, particularly for a woman!
The last few governments have borrowed money btw.
Feeling sorry for those with less than yourself by hoping for a Marxist led government is not the way forward.

lemongrove- I am not sure if you have noticed- but Brexit has NOT happened yet.

It is tough under the tories for many many people and we cannot close our eyes to that.

The term "grocer's daughter" is a well-known light-hearted reference to Mrs Thatcher. Please don't seek offence where none is intended. It is not a put-down because I see nothing whatever wrong with being a grocer's daughter. It is only a put-down if the person reading thinks this is an unacceptable thing to be. I don't.

I am not an "angry Remainer" by the way and have no wish to see Brexit reversed - it is simply not a realistic idea. Nor were the analyses I read written by such people.

I am simply saying that many believe that if successive governments had not ignored the needs of those for whom society functions in a way that leaves them behind, the referendum result might have been very different. You cannot ignore the needs of vast swathes of people in favour of propping up international capital and the fat cats (now that is intended to be an insult!) without there being some sort of backlash. The word "underclass" is not an insult - it is an accurate and factual description of those who are suffering in our society. We ignore them at our peril; both because of the chaos that has been unleashed by Brexit, and also because it decreases our humanity if we ignore them.

The more people who are in work (and thus able to spend), the better for everyone, both socially and economically. The only way to create jobs is to borrow the money to build what we need and to save our creaking services.

lemongrove ?????

That doesn’t mean we can’t help those who are aren’t btw but if the economy does well then we can do that, not running the UK down as Corbyn no doubt would given half a chance.

Some on here may live in a bubble, because the building industry is booming ( look it up) and the vast number of people in the UK are doing well, people can and do buy what businesses sell, delivery services have also boomed delivering the many things that people buy.
It’s a myth that all in our country are struggling along.

MaizieD, we sell to tradesmen, builders, plumbers etc., big companies and one man bands.

We import from Europe (ours suppliers are not worried about 29/3/2019 nor are we).

There are plenty of homes being built round here, all with affordable housing as part of the projects. There are offices and factory refurbishments.

Please do not concern yourself with "how I make a living"

I am so fed up with the constant how bad it is under the Tories!!! Yes some people are not as well off as others, but it was like that under Labour, in fact more so as unemployment was at record highs.

Envy, now snobbery, Corbyn’s gentler politics

Sorry, but it must be snobbery to have said that, also about the ‘underclass’ and I was surprised at it from you.
I am wondering tho wrote all the analysis about Brexit that you have been reading because there certainly are not over 17 or more million who voted Leave fitting your description.
Am guessing it was written by many angry Remainers.
If you are not a Labour supporter btw you shouldn’t be hoping for a Corbyn (Marxist) led government simply because you hope that he may reverse leaving the EU.
He won’t!

Luckygirl, yes Thatchers fathers was a grocer,, why refer to thatcher as ‘the grocers daughter? Because she was female?

I thought you were more worthy than that put down

^ It is ridiculous to think that throwing money at something is the solution!!!^

And as a small business owner, GG, I suppose you think it's grand that under the tories people have less money to spend.

How do you make a living when people can't afford to buy what you sell?