The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

"Youngsters in difficulty in many ways" not the armed forces I know.

Troubled youngsters would not pass the psychometric and physical tests.

Why oh why do people on these political threads look for the worst case scenario possible?

oldbatty, I am not "slanging" anybody. I am merely pointing out the basics of democracy to those who seem not understand (or do not wish to understand when it suites them) those basics.

Its absolutey awful the discussion on here about politics.

In my humble opinion the country is in an almighty mess. The Tory party were caught on the hop by the leave result. I don't think anybody really thought about Ireland.
The UK is fragmented and divided and the best we can come up with is a slanging match.

And the MP was held accountable by the majority in his constituency party, found wanting, and deselected.

That's Democracy notanan2

Exactly notanan, I think to get rid of an MP for not voting with the wishes of the leader is hypocritical when the very same leader is definitely not known for loyalty to his party .

I also think it hypocritical of Corbyn devotees to admire him for voting for his principles then claiming it’s democracy to support people who want rid of their MP for voting for their principles.

I am not comfortable with slavish loyalty , I find it pathetic

I find it scary.

Even if you SUPPORT someone you should still consider them fallible and open to critique.

Unquestioning adoration is dangerous.

Support labour by all means but as a SUPPORTER you should WANT to hold them accountable.

NOONE has no room for improvement.

2018 Jura. The Falklands were 1982, it certaintly wasn’t happening here

annie - yes cannon fodder, always has been the case.

There is lots and lots of evidence that Army Recruitment drives have been targeted at the poorest areas, often on youngsters in difficulty is lots of ways:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/08/british-army-criticised-for-exam-results-day-recruitment-ads

You have been asked what democracy is for you Annie I think you wouldn't say. So perhaps I should assume. If Annie agrees with it, it's democracy, if she doesn't, it isn't.
Silly you Grandad1943 you thought it was something to do with people being allowed a vote didn't you? You probably believe in one person, one vote as well don't you?

Democracy is the ability for people and political organisations to change their views and policies in line with changing circumstances.

That is the very basis of democracy.

GG13 There may have been some increase in money unfortunately the money hasn't gone where it was needed. It has been used instead to implement the establishment of Academies and Free Schools, a purely political move. Free. schools alone have lost £150 mill in start up funds without many ever opening. Most of this is also in the secondary sector. In the primary sector having cut as many services as posssible to the bone Headteachers are faced with the only option to cut staff. Why else do you think they were protesting? Do you not realise these are the people who dedicate themselves to educating the nation's children and they have never before acted like this. Not even when the Conservatives were last in power and school buildings. were leaking and unfit for purpose.

So democracy is like the wind, blows one way then the other. Not for me.

Anniebach, he is there to represent the current beliefs and policies of the Labour party and his constituency party. Those policies have been brought forward by democratic means.

If the constituency party feel their MP is not supporting those policies to the full, they have the democratic right to deselect that MP by a ballot of the constituency party members.

Simple as that.........Democracy.

I am not comfortable with slavish loyalty , I find it pathetic

It was a democratic vote by a constituency Labour Party anniebach.

THAT IS DEMOCRACY.

The thinking of this Labour MP is obviously not in line with the thinking of his constituency; therefore they have through democracy decided to deselect him.

What is so wrong with the above? Compleat loss of confidence, better for both parties that they should go their separate ways I would believe.

Where is democracy when an MP can be deselected for not being loyal to a leader was was not loyal to his leader? Freedom of speech !

Does democracy mean hypocrisy? Seems so.

Some claiming to be Labour party members or supporters (but in reality are closet Tories) have no gumption to answer straight questions.

Those questions can be, do you accept the democratic vote of a constituency Labour Party?

Do you support the Labour Party key policy of condemning the Gig Economy?

Would be interesting to witness an answer, but I expect a certain person will sit on the fence.

GrannyGravy, did you know he said of the armed forces in the .falklands war, ‘ The unemployed are being sent to die ?

A link to his speech in the Lords would be even better. Anyone?

Yes Maw, sorry for typo, and thanks for link.

Well we have had the definition of 'democracy' discussed. Perhaps we should look at the one for 'terrorist' and especially when it is legitimate to take up arms when you have no other means to fight for your very basic rights.

Mandela is a good example. How could blacks and coloureds in SA fight against Apartheid - apart from fighting?

By Lord Livslane did you mean Lord Lisvane Jura2?

g.co/kgs/vURgNo

Having an AC who is a serving soldier, I cannot condone any elected politician standing side by side with a terrorist/terrorist organisation.

Waiting for the weekly phone call, email when AC is in a war zone is something I would not wish on any parent.

GrannyGravy, this is a man who attended a wreath laying to terrorists but ‘ I don’t know if I was involved ‘ .

He is glued to that fence , no gumption

Anniebach, I wonder who will be around to pull the splinters out of his derrière, due to his sitting on the fence on practically everything.