The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

Jalima1108, Chewbacca, anniebach, the one thing that is certain in any war would be that sorrow will be the largest feature of its outcome.

In that, governments will always be prominent in bringing about that sorrow. However, in 1940 the British government had to make those decisions for the survival of this nation.

Awful but very necessary.

I did Jalima

oldbatty, anniebach just placed one above.

Thank you Chewbacca and Anniebach

You shameful man.
Shameful indeed.

www.theforgottenconscript.co.uk/who-were-the-bevin-boys/

Perhaps if you read the memoirs of one of the Forgotten Conscripts it could enlighten you Grandad.
They were not well treated and, unlike those conscripted into the Armed Forces, were unable to return to their previous employment post-war, nor did they receive recognition for their services to the country.

so much for standing up for the workers
Perhaps you have never met any Bevin Boys Grandad

One of my lecturers many many years ago quoted "Where you stand (i.e your stance on an issue) depends on where you sit" (i.e what 'side' you're on).

I think you're sitting in the wrong place oldbatty

Certainly this thread has an abusive title...

:So, Jalima1108 your criticism of Ernest Bevin is entirely unjustified, unless with your right^
wing views you would in your youth preferred to witnesses the Swastika flying over
Whitehall in London

I don't often comment on the bun fight threads because they're usually full of the usual parrying of insults but the comment I've italicized is a new nadir, even for the politics threads. Grandad when did it become acceptable to ask someone if they'd have preferred a swastika to fly in Britain? Are you really so uneducated that you don't know what you've said? Do you have any concept how unacceptable that question is, especially as you have no idea whether Jalima is Jewish or not? You shameful man.

I am searching for an abusive post. Where is it please?

Jalima1108, so, your last statement in that post reading "so much for standing up for the workers" you believe is factual?

In that I would state that it is a very poorly placed opinion

My posts about Ernest Bevin were factual, not criticism.

What a vile post from the resident sewage worker to Jalima,

Ignore him Jalima , he told me I was a target. To talk of Ernie Bevin having no time for sentiment from a person who called the deaths of 114 children ‘an event ‘

Jalima1108, I just responded to your post attacking Ernest Bevin of yesterday with what I feel are the true facts of the situation facing the wartime National Government which Ernest Bevin was a leading member of

If you feel I am incorrect in any part of what I stated just post a response.

Simple as that.

Absolutely, I would agree with you there Grandad

There are on this forum some who love to "dish it out" but cannot take it back.

In what way is your post justified Grandad?
I cannot see why or how.

Jalima1108, my above post is justified, entirely true and in no way shocking. If you wish to take up debate on what I have stated then do that in a reasonable manner, including the last sentence where I asked you a direct question, nothing more.

jura if you want to read an abusive post then look no further than the one by Grandad addressed to me.
It is unjustified, untrue and quite shocking.

Monica:

There are, I am sure many members of GN, who vote Labour and would appreciate a reasoned and courteous discussion of Labour policy on GN.

What is their chance of getting that? Absolutely nil. Within 10 minutes the thread would be overwhelmed by abusive and offensive messages from GN members who support the current Conservative party. Many people who have posted on this thread would be among them. If they do not believe me. Go back and read your emails and think how you would feel if what you had written had been aimed at the Conservative party by Labourites and how you would respond. Supposing every political thread was overwhelmed by Conservative supporters. You might start crying loudly about intimidation,

Jalima1108 in your post in this thread @ 23:27 yesterday (4/10/18) you stated the following against Ernest BEVIN.

Quote [He decided that one in ten young men conscripted should be sent down the coal mines - the Bevin Boys. They were selected by pulling numbers from a hat.
The scheme went on until 1948 and those forced to work down the mines were not well treated afterwards as they were not entitled to return to their jobs.

So much for standing up for workers' rights.] End Quote

Jalima1108, Ernest Bevin was the minister for Labour in a wartime national government at a time when this country had "its back very much against the wall".' Therefore difficult decisions had to be made and that included conscription and that a percentage those conscripted should serve that time in Britains coal mines.

The reason for that need was, at that time Britain's steam powered railways were the core of the UK transport infrastructure and without that rail network operating at well above planned capacity the overall war effort would have been crippled.

Therefore, coal was the critical component in that war based production economy, and therefore conscription of labour in those mines was an essential and necessary decision. Many of those conscripted into those mines stated that they would have preferred to have gone into the armed forces.

However, at that time Bevin and those surrounding him in that government did not have time for sentiment with Britain's very survival at stake. Those conscripted into the mines could retain that occupation if they so wished at the end of the war, or take up another occupation should they prefer in the full employment economy that the Atlee led Labour Government rapidly created following electoral victory in 1945.

So, Jalima1108 your criticism of Ernest Bevin is entirely unjustified, unless with your right wing views you would in your youth preferred to witnesses the Swastika flying over Whitehall in London?

Good gracious! I think if we did an anonymous poll of political party support there would be far more Tory than Labour voters on GN. Not sure why Conservative supporters on GN are not able to make reasoned arguments in support of the Conservative policies or in defence of their politicians. Far more Daily Mail readers on here than Grauniad readers from all the comments I have seen!
Do not try to turn Conservative GNs into 'victims' of Labour GN posters. That would be silly.

Is the Labour party nasty on GN? The answer is am emphatic yes.

The reason for my answer? There are, I am sure many members of GN, who vote Conservative and would appreciate a reasoned and courteous discussion of Conservative policy on GN.

What is their chance of getting that? Absolutely nil. Within 10 minutes the thread would be overwhelmed by abusive and offensive messages from GN members who support the current Labour party. Many people who have posted on this thread would be among them. If they do not believe me. Go back and read your emails and think how you would feel if what you had written had been aimed at the Labour party by Conservatives and how you would respond. Supposing every political thread was overwhelmed by Conservative supporters. You might start crying loudly about intimidation, but many would just duck out of sight and keep quiet.

I am rapidly reaching a stage where I am beginning to wonder whether politics should not be discussed on GN. Impossible I know, but when GN started we could have rational discussions without animosity on either side, but gradually the Labour party zealots have driven out anyone who does not agree with them. One or two brave people do try to introduce a voice of reason. I will not say who I think they are, because they already have to put up with daily abuse, so I do not want to make it worse.

If GN members who are Labour party supporters are typical of the whole, then reading the kind of things they post are an argument in themselves for not voting Labour.

so some people are all up in arms because of 'bile on one thread' - but hink that bile on another thread is totally fine and dandy.

Weird, methinks, totally.

Jalima

Oh, not you Ilovecheese - Grandad repeated what you said

Why? When have I ever been unpleasant?