No Deal and supply of medicines

I take his meaning to be whether or not there is a hard or soft border that won't stop those Irish men / women who are presupposed to terrorism from using weapons. I think he has a point.

I think he is a daft old man and I can see where his son gets it from now. What the hell does he think the GFA has been doing for the last 20 years?

To be fair, it's isn't the first time that fake news has been given as gospel by juraon this thread. It's only 2 days ago that we were told that the epipen shortage was because of Brexit, which was immediately disproved too.

It really doesn't do any of us any good, to be quoting information to others, that is not absolutely accurate and true. It simply diminishes the integrity of the discussion and there's enough mis information going around without it being exacerbated here.

“Any and all”

Sadly the thread like any and about the Referendum or Brexit devolves into an Animal Farm type rhetoric of “Four legs good, two legs bad” regardless of actual opinions expressed.
Not a lot of point saying anything because some poster has decided without any evidence, that one belongs to one of the two camps, therefore one’s opinions are ill educated or biased.

Compare the above with this
Or are you like Johnson Senior, and say as he did today, that the Irish and the Unionists can start shooting each other again- if they so wish- and we should ignore it

Indeed Maw, our friend lemon is the master of obfuscation and deliberate misunderstanding. I shall now take my tablets as advised by her and I am also taking a few days off from GN.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/stanley-johnson-irish-will-shoot-each-other-brexit-news-gmb/

MawB

I hope I am correct but I am ready to be corrected by jura .

It would be unfair to make such a quote/statement if it were untrue so it needs to be understood one way or tuther if he did say what jura has stated.

It has strayed so far from any sort or reasoned argument. Misquotation to the point of “fake news”, (deliberate) misunderstanding, going off at tangents,non sequiturs, obfuscation and overreaction do not make the arguments easy to follow. And less credible sometimes.

Probably time this thread took it’s tablets and retired, isn’t it?

Thank you POGS for * accurately quoting Stanley Johnson.
You can see why I am finding this all surreal.

jura

" Or are you like Johnson Senior, and say as he did today, that the Irish and the Unionists can start shooting each other again- if they so wish- and we should ignore it."
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Stanley Johnson actually said :-

" She would have said ‘look if the Irish want to shoot each other they will shoot each other whether there’s a hard border or whether there is a soft border, that is something the Irish will do if they want to’.”

Wasn't he answering a question ?

I take his meaning to be whether or not there is a hard or soft border that won't stop those Irish men / women who are presupposed to terrorism from using weapons. I think he has a point.

What your post is doing is ' misquoting' as I see it and when you state " he said can start shooting each other again- if they so wish- and we should ignore it." can you show him making that quote please because you have distorted his words as I see it in a defamatory manner.

I am happy to be proven wrong but I cannot read or hear those words coming from his mouth they appear to be your choice of wording. As I say I am happy to be proven wrong.

Like being on the magic roundabout Maw. Round and round and round......

Smileless, I did not say you are- I asked?

Yes, they are much better paid in Germany, and have better conditions. And still they have a shortage... there is not much chance the UK will be attract more midwives, nurses and doctors- as they are leaving in large numbers. The very point.

There is a level of surreality to this exchange of views!

Oh, so they aren’t wanted welcomed or well paid in Germany then jura ?
There are many reasons that nursing staff fluctuates, not all revolves around Brexit.

If you think it was a dreadful and insensitive thing to say jura then why the hell did you ask if I am like Johnson senior?

There is a shortage of midwives, nurses and doctors everywhere. They will go where they are welcome, well treated and well paid, and with good conditions.

There is a shortage of midwives in Germany too, here where they are often self employed and required to pay out for an expensive insurance.
I heard to day that the EU will not meet with Mrs May in November if she does not change her present strategy.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/stanley-johnson-irish-will-shoot-each-other-brexit-news-gmb/

This is what Johnson Senior said, not ME! It was a dreadful and totally insensitive thing to say, I totally agree.

jura you really are beyond the pale.

"Or are you like Johnson senior, and say as he did today, that the Irish and the Unionists can start shooting each other again -if they so wish - and we should ignore it" My maternal GM was Irish, she lived in the UK and didn't leave her home for weeks after Lord Mountbatten was murdered because she was ashamed of her Irish accent and feared retribution.

If you are truly representative of the EU and what it stands for then I look forward to the day we leave. Deal or no deal.

I wish I'd never taught you the word "mithering" now jura; you've flogged it to death.

Doodle, yes.

BoJo's dad.

If medical and pharmaceutical experts explain clearly that Brexit, especially a No Deal, will cause severe problems with the availability of drugs and isotopes, for all sorts of conditions, but also cancer. Is it vile to listen and say 'we must have a second vote, to avoid this (and som many other very important issues) - or is it best to say 'people have voted (and never mind the lies and fraud, and the tiny majority) - so we will just have to accept that - and do without?

I know which I choose.

We must fight for a second vote- now that people know. If someone truly cares for those suffering from those terrible illnesses, choose to put their pride before their treatment- then, there are no words for this.